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Q. (By Mr. REED.) Mr. Galvin, do you remember meeting a young man named Mr. Brownell?
A. I do, sir, very well, indeed.
A. 1891 or 1892 — I would not be positive. I am not positive about it. I didn't make any record of it whatever.
Q. What paper did Mr. Brownell report for? Do you remember?
A. I think the “ Herald."
Q. Now, he made certain criticisms of your place down there, and it has been said that you met him up in the Commissioners' office and took bim to task for advertising his article for Sunday in the Saturday papers. Do you remember that?
A. I don't recollect ever meetiny liim at the Commissioners' office.
Q. You don't recollect meeting him there?
A. Yes, sir; and I think I met him at his own office, if I don't make a mistake.
Q. At his own office ?
Q. He says your dinner wasn't good the day he was down there.
A. What day was it?
Q. I don't recollect wliat day it was back in 1891. Do you remember any day in 1891 when you didn't have a good dinner down there?
A. No, sir; I don't.
A. I think I am as well able to judge of a dinner as the gentleman whom you refer to ; and in coming down to make an examination tbat day, I think there was no need of it whatever, because all his work was done before he came down there. He never took a note-book or a pencil out of his pocket while he was down there. His report was all made out before he came down there, as he spent the night before at Manchester-by-the-Sea.
Q. And he had his report all made out when he went down there?
1. I am satisfied of it, sir. Q. Do you know what he was doing down there? A. He said Mrs. Lincolo invited him down. Q. And the next day he came down to see you? 4. Yes, sir. Excuse me, sir, but I don't thiuk the man was hardly responsible. The man was love sick. He was in love with a beautiful young woman, and was to be married ; so I didn't hardly think him responsible.
Q. Well, do you know what he based his statement on about the condition of your building as to cleanliness?
A. Well, he found time enough to go and upset about a dozen beds in the institution; and he came down to me and says:
Everything is in good order, but I think I found a place where there was a bug the marks of where one had been.” Says I: "If I had the privilege of going to your domicile I think I might find a live animal there."
Q. How many beds did you say be pulled apart?
Q. He stated that the bedding was in bad condition. Did he say anything to you about that?
A. I don't know what the condition is that the bedding must be in to be in a bad condition. We always have taken good care of our bed and bedding.
Q. Well, what is the rule, and what was the rule at that time, Mr. Galvin, and the practice, in regard to changing the bedding ?
A. Changed every week, sir, regularly.
Q. Then, at that time do you remember any reason why the bedding had not been changed
at the time he was down there?
A. I don't, sir. We made it a rule to change the bedding once a week, regularly.
Q. And you have no reason to believe that that rule was not observed, and being observed at the time Mr. Brownell was down there?
A. No, sir; because I saw to it myself. I go through the buildings for it myself. I trust to nobody. I see the work is done.
Q. Did you tell him the weather was bad, so that you could not change the bedding ?
A. No, sir ; I don't think I did.
A. No, sir. The weather would not interfere with inside work so that we could not change the bedding, I think.
Q. Did he make any comment upon the cleanliness of the building?
A. He didn't, sir.
A. I would not be positive now whether he did or not; but I don't think he did.
Q How long would you say he was on the island ?
Q. Did he come down on the “ Bradlee"?
, sir. I am not certain, but I don't think he did.
Q. Well, you don't think he came on tbe " Bradlee"?
A. I think so. About an hour after he got to the island, I think.
Q. Did he go away with Mrs. Lincoln ?
Q. (By Ald. LEE.) Are you positive that this day he was there, he was there with Mrs. Lincoln ?
A. I am, sir.
Q. (By Mr. REED.) He didn't write any report while he was there?
A. No, sir.
Q. Did anybody come down there afterwards to investigate any of the statements that he had made?
A. Not that I recollect of.
Q. Then you were not able to get the place ready for somebody who was coming down there!
À. It would not make any difference if I did. The place was always the same.
Q. You don't remember having any such instructions as that?
Q. Well, what do you say, Mr. Galvin, as to the gambling at Long Island ? It has been charged that the inmates of the institution gambled there.
A. Op wet days we have a large room in the basement where they go; and they used to play dominoes. I think dominues is a more simple and better amusement than to give marbles to old men, as they have in some of the institutions of the country, is I have beard.
Q. Then you provide them with dominoes?
d. No, they provide themselves; they had them themselves; I didn't provide them. I think it was better to have the mind occupied with something than to sit there smoking all day.
Q. Did you allow prisoners in there from Deer Island ?
A. They had no other place to go on wet days but to mix in with the inmates. In fact, the room used to be crowded like as if the people were sardines.
Q. That is what you call the " Loafers' Hall”?
out and died through neglect of the management.
A. I do, yes, sir ; recollect a woman.
A. It was in the morning; and after the breakfast bell rung the inmates began to come down, and she went outside and committed suicide. She was absent more that fifteen minutes when we heard about it.
Q. Was she a partially demented woman?
A. She was weak-minded. She had that contemplated for some time.
Q. And she wandered out and committed suicide?
Q. (By Mr. REED.) Do you remember a hunch-back boy that you had on Long Island ?
A. I do, sir.
A. Well, he was a poor, emaciated boy. Of course, I had to have a carriage for him to wheel himself around in; and when he was not able to do that I got a man to wheel him around. He was as well taken care of as any other inmate in the building.
Q. What did he tell you about the food ?
A. He never complained. Sometimes he would not be at dinner if we had a fish dinner.
He would not go near the table on fish day, I believe.
Q. He didn't like fish?
Q. Well, he never made any complaint to you about his food except that he didn't like fish? A. That is all the complaint I ever heard.
He seemed very well satisfied ; and there was some lady here who used to take some interest in him and used to get him up to town to stop a month at a time, probably.
Q. Was he allowed to go in a filthy condition, a dirty conditiou ? Was le regularly washed and taken care of?
A. He was as regularly washed and taken care of as the men who had to do it themselves. There was just the same care taken of him.
Q. Now, it has been said that many things called for by the superintendents are denied them by the Commissioners. Do you recall any instance when you have been denied things that you made requisitions for?
A. Never only one.
A. I do, sir.
d. It was in the spring-time. Long Island is a large territory, of course. There is a great quantity of grass there, and I recom. mended to the Commissioners to buy a few heifers and put them out in the grass there and they would be worth twice as much in the fall. The Commissioners did not see fit to do it, and their judgment was better than mine, of course ; and I didn't get them. That is the only thing I ever failed of getting.
Q. You wanted to raise some cows, and they would not give tbem to you?
A. They didn't give them to me.
Q. Do you remember ever making two requisitions for chamber vessels and baving them denied you?
A. I remember making the requisitions ; but they were never denied me.
Q. You always got them?
Q. Now, another thing. Something bas been said about trees that you could not get. Do you remember getting a good trade on some trees, Mr. Galvin ?
A. I think I did : yes, sir.
Q. Well, it has been said that you wanted to get those trees and Dr. Jenks would not let you.
A. Well, I got them and planted them out.
Q. Now, I want to ask you if those are the trees that we see between the new hospital and the old institution building ?
A. Yes, sir ; those are the same trees.
Q. I have noticed on Long Island a lot of young trees growing there.
A. Yes, sir.
A. Those are the trees I bought. I didn't buy them - the Commissioners bought them on my recommendation. They imported then on my recommendatian.
Q. (By Ald. BARRY.) I understood you to say that they imported them?
A. Yes, sir.
A. Well, the elm-trees were, probably, two feet long. They are a very slim tree. The Norway spruces were about six inches high. That is the way to start trees to grow on that island.
Q. Then they came shipped to you in boses?