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asked them to come out in the office, and that was done (pointing to the petition), gentlemen, in three-quarters of an hour. I could have had more names to it, gentlemen, just as easy as that. Here are the witnesses, because quite a number of them are not able to write. The witnesses are Annie Adams, matron; Mrs. Catherine A. Dacey, matron, and Ann J. Wilson, matron. And here is the name of a most reliable man Mr. Charles A. Dever, the resident physician. He testifies to that fact.

Q. (By Mr. BRANDEIS.) What was the date of that?
Ă. The date of this paper, do you say?
Q. Yes, sir.
A. This was November 19.
Q. 1894 ?
A. 1894.

Mr. BRANDEIS. — November 19, 1894 – the day before yesterday.

Mr. REED. — I believe that is all, Mr. Chairman).

CROSS-EXAMINATION.

Q. (By Mr. BRANDEIS.) Mr. Galvin, you were not appointed superintendent of Long and Rainsford islands by the present Board of Commissioners of Public Institutions ?

1. I was not, sir.

Q. Your appointment antedated their own creation as a Board, didn't it?

A. Sir?
Q. You were appointed before that Board was created ?
A. I was.

Q. And you stayed there from the time of your appointment until March, 1893, when Mr. Cogswell was put in charge at Long Island ?

A. That is correct, sir — the 8th of March, 1893.
Q. And Dr. Cogswell took the place then?
A. Yes, sir.

Q. And the Commissioners then relieved you of the duty of attending to the two institutions, and enabled you to confine your attention to Rainsford Island alone?

A. Correct, sir ; yes, sir.

Q. You stated yesterday how Raiosford Island was managed by you, and you stated that Long Island had been managed by you in precisely the same way in reference to the care of the inmates and the food and other things. That is correct, isn't it?

A. That is correct; ves, sir.

Q. That is, as you manage Rainsford Island now, managed both of them?

A. Just the same not a particle of difference; not a particle.

Q. Now, you have had at Rainsford Island from time to time visits from the visitors to the Public Institutions Mrs. Evans and the others ?

A. I did, sir.

Q. You know that they submitteil, in accordance with law, a final report uuder date of April 30, 1894, on all of the institutions?

so you A. I am aware of it, sir.

Q. Yes. You have read what they said in that report in regard to Rainsford Island ?

A. I read, I think, the most part of it; yes, sir.

Q. Do you remember on page 32 of that report they say in regard to Raipsford Island :

The place is clean, and growing plants in the windows, and a large pet cat curled up upon a bed, give a touch of cheerfulness to the otherwise dreary wards. The inmates seem contented and attached to their superintendent, and no complaints of any kind were heard.

You remember that passage?
A. I remember that, sir.
Q. Is that true?
A. I have every reason to think so.

Q. You had frequent conferences with one or more of these visitors, didu't you?

A. I did for a brief period. I have had very little conversation with either of them.

Q. Well, occasionally you did have?
A. Occasionally ; yes, sir, of course.
Q. And they were at the island, of course, at times?
A. They were.

Q. And they were given permission to examine everything that was there?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. Nothing was prepared for them? Nothing was put in better order when they came than usual?

A. That is correct.

Q. And you hadn't in any way deterred or instructed the inmates to say differently in any way from what they always felt?

-1. Yes, sir. Q. On the contrary, you told them to state just what they felt?

Ă. I told them that now was the time to make any complaints, and I said, “If any of you are too bashful to make them while I am here, I will leave the room."

Q. And they laughed at the idea of any complaint against you?
A. That is correct, sir.
Q. Did you have any complaint to make against the visitors ?
A. You have never heard that I did, sir?
Q. I never heard that you did ; no, sir.
A. No, sir.
Q. Have you any to make against them?

A. If I had reason to, sir, I would, but I have never had inuch reason to find fault.

I was glad to see their pleasant faces down there when they came, and I showed them everything that I could.

Q. Did they interfere with your management of the institution ? A. No, sir.

Q. Did they create any insubordination down there, or injure the discipline?

A. It may be good policy to have such a Board, but I think the fewer visits that are made by such a Board to an institution the better the institution will be, and the better the discipline.

Q. Did they do anything in your institution to create insubordination or to injure the discipline?

A. They did nothing, sir.
Q. They had no evil effect?

A. Not any more than this, that if there was a woman there that I found to be a little cravky, she used to threaten Mrs. Lincoln with me.

Q. Oh, but the visitors, the Board of Visitors, I mean?
A. Oh, the visitors never found any fault with them at all.
Q. And you have no fault to find with them in any way?

il. No, sir ; but I think that if the management is left to the Commissiouers, or even to a single-beaded Commission, I think the institution would be run better.

Mr. RILEY. Isn't it a single-headed Commission pow?

The WITNESS. – I don't know whether it is or not. I have recognized three Commissioners, always.

Q. Now, you remember in the same report of 1894, that so far as your institution is concerned, the only other recommendation which is made was that free passes he abolished in special cases, and that every influence be used to prevent the inmates from availing themselves of frequent discharges and readmissions. That is a matter with which you, personally, have nothing to do at all? It is wholly a matter of management by the Commissioners ?

A. The Commissioners never interfered about these people going out on leave of absence, as we call it. They come down there as inmates ; and my rule is that, except they show some good cause for getting out before that time, they shall go out after the expiration of a month; and I give them a pass, and they can come back in ten days without getting a pass from the Commissioners or whoever it is that gives it to them up here.

Q. Then you agree with the visitors that the greatest care should be lised in regard to it?

A. I don't think it can be avoided in many respects. If an inmate has a sick relative it would be very unnatural for me to deprive them of the chance to see them.

Q. But you were careful not to allow them to go unless there was some good reason?

A. I was careful not to allow them to go unless there was some good reason, or until the expiration of the month.

Q. Just as the visitors recommended ?
11. Yes.
Q. So, in that you are in entire sympathy with the visitors.
A. Yes, sir ; that is a fact.

Q. Well, now, you said that you never heard any complaints in regard to food, and that you made it your practice to go at the time of the meals regularly into the dining-room to see how things were served there, to see that they were properly served, and that the men bad enough to eat, and where you could detect at once if there was any ground of complaint. That is true, isn't it?

A. That is true with one esception, which I neglected to mention last night.

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Q. Yes.

A. There was a woman there by the name of Susan Gallagher wbo complained of the chowder she had there. She complained to Mrs. Lincoln, and one of the inmates told me that she was making the complaint, and I went as near as possible to Mrs. Lincoln thinking she would speak to me about it. She never did so, and I announced from the table the following day that if any of the inmates ever received a bad chowder there at the institution since I came there to say so, and every one responded no; and I discharged that woman immediately. Tbat is the only time I ever heard any fault found with the subsistence there.

Q. What I meant to ask was, whether you did, as a matter of fact, make it your business to go daily into the dining-room and to inspect this matter of food, personally, yourself?

A. I did, sir, every day.

Q. And not only in the dining-room, but you also made it your business, did you not, to inspect the food as it was sent to the island ?

A. Yes, sir, I did ; and had it weighed.
Q. And you had it weighed?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. So as to determine the quality and the quantity of the food?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. In order that there might be nothing wrong?
A. Correct, sir.
Q. And you sent back what wasn't good ?

A. I never bad occasion to send back anything in the way of subsistence, except one batch of fish.

Q. That is the only time? But you gave it your personal vigilance?

A. Yes, sir ; I always used to and I do it now.

Q. And you deem it to be necessary for the proper conduct of the institution ?

A. I think any superintendent ought to do the same thing. You may talk all you are a mind to about the management of these institutions, but I don't consider that the Commissioners are one particle to blame for all these complaints that have been made.

If there are any complaints to make, it rests with the superintendent to burden them. Mr. Jenks is the man whom I suppose you referred to a minute ago by your remark in regard to a single head. Dr. Jeoks told me repeatedly that if there was any poor meat or anything else that came to that institution, to return it immediately; but I never had any occasion to return it, because the meat was always good. That was the orders from Dr. Jenks, though.

2. Now, you said also, Mr. Galvin, that when you were there, there was no difficulty with the ventilation of this upper room, because you used to go once or twice a day and see to it yourself, that it was properly ventilated ?

A. I did, sir.
Q. And you believed that to be your duty ?
A. It is the duty of any superintendeut, I consider.

Q. Then you also said that you had no difficulty in getting the men to work ?

A. I never had.

Q. Did you suffer any from insubordination or want of disciplive?

A. Never.
Q. Were the men insolent to you?
A. Never.
Q. Did they refuse to obey your orders ?
A. Never.

Q. And that was true during the whole time that your were superintendent?

A. During my superintendency, that was true.
Q. Of both Long Island and Rainsford Island ?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. How did you treat these women and men ?
A. Well, I think you have got a little tact?
Q. Thank you, sir.

A. As well as I have. I think you would treat them just about as well as I do. It requires a little tact, a good deal of tact, to manage those people properly. It is not the man's ability, but it wants a sympathy between the superintendent and the inmates.

2. Did you ever observe any lack of sympathy between yourseli and them?

A. I never did, sir.
Q. You had occasion at times to speak to the men in a body,

on one occasion it least?
A. What was the business?
Q. When you introduced your successor?
A. I did, sir.
Q. How did you address then then?
A. Sir?
Q. How did you address them then?

A. I addressed them as I ought to. It doesn't deprive a man of anything to address them as gentlemen. I called them gentle

They always acted that way, and I treated them that way, which I thouglit was iny duty.

Q. And after you got through Dr. Cogswell addressed them; and how did he address them?

A. He can answer that himself.

Q. Didn't be say in substance: “I will not address you as gentlemen, because you are not gentlemen."

A. I will not say anything in regard to Dr. Cogswell. He can answer that question limpself, if he ever comes on the stand. I gave you what I said.

Q. And you declive to say what Dr. Cogswell said, and in wbat mavner be addressed the men at that time?

1. Well, you will learn it at a later period.

Q. Now, Mr. Galvin, these men were always contented when yoll were at their lead ?

a. I thought so. Q. And they always bad suficient food during the time that

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