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A. That is correct, what you see there.

Q. I will read it to you 12 tons oats for fodder, 20 tons eusilage for fodder, 25.000 cabbages, 750 bushels purpletop turnips, 500 bushels onions, 2 tons squash, 1,325 bushels carrots, 400 busliels parsnips, 87 bushels mangel-wurzels, 12,000 budding plants for decorating grounds. 23,947 pounds of pork, 1,364 pounds leef, 25 busliels peas, 17 bushels beans, 75 bushels tomatoes, 75 tons hay, 49.8 bushels ruta-baga turvips, 532 bushels potatoes, 230 bushels blood beets. 514 bushels white beets, 2,500 heads celery, 946 (lozen eggs, 56,758 quarts milk?

A. That is correct, sir.
Q. All that you produced on your farm ?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. In 1889 ?
it. Yes.

Q. You seem to bave been somewhat of a horticulturalist, Mr.
Galvin, if you didn't raise strawberries?

A. Yes, devote a good cleal of my time to it.
Q. And succeeded in getting 12,000 nice plants that year?
A. I did, sir.

Q. I suppose as long as you was superintendent at Long Island you continued to get something off the farm?

A. I endeavored to; yes sir.
Mr. BRANDEIS. Got twenty per cent. more the next year.

Q. (By Mr. REED.) Even if you didn't raise strawberries on the farin. Now, you knew, Mr. Galvin, that you couldn't build a coal-slied, a liggery, nor a barn, unless you had an appropriation to do it withi, didn't you?

A. No, sir; nor the lien-louse.

Q. Nor a hen-house. And you knew that the City Council must take the first action). You mide the recommendations, and when you recommended this piggery you knew that the Conimissioners adopted this recommendation, and inserted in their annual estimates an amount for that, also an amount for the barn, and you knew also that they were not given by the City Council ?

A. Yes, sir.
Q. And that is the reason you didn't do those things?
A. That I understand, sir, thoroughly.

Q. And the same is true in regard to a coal-shed. Were there any instances during your administration when you have neglected or refused to expenil an appropriation made by the City Government for new buildings or anything of that kind ?

A. Not that I am aware of, sir.
Q. Wben you got the appropriation you did the business?
A. The work was carried out.

2. Now, did they ever send you any manure down there on a
scow ?
A. Yes, I think we got some in a scow.

I think so.
Q. Do you recollect the amounts?
A. I don't recollect the amounts, sir.
Q. But you kuow -
A. I know we got some.

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Q. It was put on the place?
A. Yes, sir; I know that.
Q. And that it came there in scows?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. You must also have bad a good deal yourself on the place?
A. We made a good deal there; yes, sir.
Q. Raising so much beef and pork?

A. And collecting seaweed around the beach there — giving us a chance to make mapure tliere.

Q. Then you did collect all the seaweed ?
A. Yes, sir; and maile manure out of it.
Q. Well, did you have any phosphates, anything of that kind?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. That was supplied by the Commissiou
A. Yes, sir.

Q. Now, do you remember how many tons, or how much of that?

A. We had several tons, I couldn't tell you how many, but several tons of it.

Q. Then you had several tons?
A. Yes, sir.

Q. And what you recommended was something especially for the culture of strawberries. Now, Mr. Galvin, during your farming operations there, did you depreciate the land? Was it any worse when you left it than when you took it?

A. No, I think it was some better.
Q. You think that on the whole you improved the farm?
A. I thought so, yes.


Mr. BRANDEIS. Mr. Galvin, did you ask the Commissioners to be relieved from the burden of the care of Long Island ? Did that change of your duties from both islands to Raiusford Island rest with you?

A. Is that required for me to answer?
Mr. REED. Not upless the committee say so.

Tlie CHAIRMAN. The Chair does not see how that question enters into the case.

Mr. BRANDEIS. I don't want to compel Mr. Galvin to answer a question that would be embarrassing, but after I state to the committee why it bears on the case, Mr. Galvin can use his own judgment.

The WITNESS. Well, I decline to answer, sir, except it comes from a court of justice, sir.

Mr. BRANDEIS. We have seen from this witness, taken together with other testimony, that the relief of Mr. Galvin from those cuties has not certainly improved the condition, and I presume it has resulted, as Mr. Galvin says, in a very considerable increase in expenditure. I wanted to see

Mr. Reun. That isn't so. Mr. Galvin simply says he does not know anything about the facts.

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Mr. BRANDEIS. Oh, yes, he does.
Mr. REED. — He has testified in regard to the facts in his time.

Mr. BRANDEIS. — Oh, yes, Mr. Galvin has stated that although they have twenty-seven officers there, or whatever the number may be, largely in excess of what was there when he was there, that he is convinced tbat the management is not better, certainly is not more satisfactory, than it was in his day.

Mr. REED, · Well, do you claim it is any better now?

Mr. BRANDEIS. – I claim it is very much worse, except in certain particulars, in which the visitors and Mrs. Lincoln have caused it to be improved.

Q. Now, Mr. Galvin, your salary is the same as it was wlien you were at the head of both institutions ?

A. It is, sir; yes, sir.

Q. And the salary of your chief physiciau is the same as his salary was wben he attended both institutions ?

A. At Long Island.

Q. The aniount is equal to the amount received when be attended both, isn't it?

A. The salary is about the same, yes.
Mr. CURTIS. The physician gets $200 more.
Mr. BRANDEIS. You mean Dr. Dever?
Mr. CURTIS. — Yes, sir.

Mr. BRANDEIS. — Than the physician used to get when he had both islands?

The WITNESS. — He dido't bave both islands. He wasn't resident physician

Q. (By Mr. BRANDEIS.) Well, you were talking about the food. There was testimony here that during the last year it was found that the pudding had been mixed in the sink, something which has since been remeslied. Was that the way in which the pudding was made in your day at Long Island ?

A. I don't think so.
Q. Well, you know whether it was not?
A. I am satisfied.
Q. Satisfied that it was not?
A. That it was not.

Q. There was more or less testimony there with regard to the isolation of syphilitic patients. Were you of the opinion that they should be carefully isolated ?

A. Yes, sir. I hope to live to see the day that there will be a provision for that purpose, or a city liospital for that purpose. I think there is nothing needed to-day in the city of Boston so bad as that very thing.

Q. Then you agree with the complaints that have been made here that there has been insufficient isolation ?

A. I agree with that as much as any ipan in Boston. I have seen more than I ever expected to and I never want to see so much again. They are not fit to be with other inmates

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Q. Therefore this testimony given bere by Dr. Parker and others in regard to the necessity for that isolation which does not exist at Long Island you entirely agree with?

A. I entirely agree with that, sir.

Q. There was some criticism here also in regard to the bringing together upon Long Island of men and women, it being plain that it was impossible in that intermixture of men and women of that class to preserve decency. Were you of that opinion also ?

A. The men and women on Long Island, do you mean?

Q. Yes ; that was a criticism whichi I dare say you may have noticed was made in the earlier part of the case ?

A. It is pretty hard to stop drinking, and I think it will have about the same effect with that. It will be just as hard to stop that as it is drinking. That is my impression.

Q. You believe it, therefore, to be a mistake to bring them together upon the saine island?

A. I think there will be some difficulty there. There is no doubt of it.

Q. And in that you agree, then, with the criticisms which were made in the earlier testimony?

A. I forget about the criticism, but that is my opinion.
Q. Mr. Curtis asked you in regard to
Mr. CURTIS. – I beg your parlon, Mr. Brandeis.
Mr. BRANDEIS. — I beg your pardon - Mr. Reed.

Q. Mr. Reed asked you in regard to the provisions for extinguishing fires.

I believe no mention was made about the fire-extinguishers?

A. Not mentioned before now; 10, sir.
Q. They have been recent.
Mr. REED. — I didn't ask bi

- I didn't ask him about that. Q. (By Mr. BRANDEIS.) They have recently been put in, haven't they?

A. I think within a year; yes, sir.
Q. In pursuance of recommendations that have been made?
A. Within a year.

Q. And on this complaint that there were no proper means of putting out fires. You said something about putting up the rules at the institution. Now, quite a number of those who signed here (referring to document already introduced) have signed their own names, laven't they?

A. Very few that you will see there.
Q. Well, they are not very few are they?
4. That have signed their own names ?
Q. Yes — quite a number, aren't they?
A. I slouldn't consider so.

Q. Well, you say that a good many of the paupers are illiterate, a good many of them also are able to read and write, aren't they? A. Some of them are, yes.

Q. Yes, and some of them are used to keeping the records, aren't they, for the institution — liot only can read and write but have tbat degree of education ?

A. No, sir; not on Rainsford Island.
Q. Well, it has been so in the past, hasn't it?

A. There might be one it takes one to keep the accounts. That doesn't take a great many.

Q. But the hospital records are more difficult to keep, they were kept by an inmate, weren't they?

A. Where at Rainsford Islanı?
Q. Yes, in Dr. Harkins' tiine.

A. I think Dr. Harkins kept his owo record there of the hospital doings.

Q. Well, don't you know of inmates keeping the records, or was that only Long Island?

A. No, sir; not at the hospital on Rainsford Island.
Q. Well, on Long Island?

A. Yes, sir ; some inmates employed there to keep the records of the bospital.

Q. Yes; those people could read, and the rules would have been good for them, anyhow. Well, you had those rules printed, did you, or were they printed by the Commission?

A. I had them printed through the order of the Commission.
Q. And you put them up as soon as they were printed?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. As soon as you were directed to do so ?

A. I put them up as soon as they were printed. I didn't wait for any orilers to put them up.

Q. And they were up during your time?
A. They were up from 1891.
Q. And then, if they were not up afterwards it was a lack of
A. I can't account for that.

Q. But it was a change that came when Dr. Cogswell took charge of Long Island ?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. (By Ald. LEE.) Mr. Galvin, have the inmates at Rains. ford Island, since you took charge of that island, separate from Long Island, increased? Are there more inmates?

d. I think so.
Q. Well, about how many?
A. Seventy-five at least.

Q. About seventy-five more there now than when you had charge of both islands? A. Yes, sir.

REDIRECT-EXAMINATION. Q. (By Mr. REED.) Mr. Galvin, did you ever give the inmates pudiling when you ran Long Island ?

A. I did.
Q. You had beans regularly, didn't you?
A. Beans every Sunday.
Q. And where did you soak those beans?
d. I had a particular vessel for them.
Q. Where was that?

A. I gave them to the cook, and there was a particular vessel there for that purpose.

Q. Adil was that the same place where you washed the meat? A. No, sir.

Q. Where did you wash the meat, prepare the meat for cooking?

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