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now, brought up this matter. The other is this, Mr. Chairman: the subject uniler investigation here and to which you and we have given so much time has been the proper management of the public institutionswhether the public institutions of the city of Boston, on which we are all interested as citizens, have been properly administereil. We have endeavored to show by facts which have come to our knowledge that they have not been. The issue before you, and upon which you, gentlemen, ought to receive evidence, is, whether or not these public institutions have been managed in a way to do credit to the city of Boston, and to those who have control over them. That is the question. Mr. Reed has started out in his opening, has named as his first witness Mr. Galvin, and has started out in his remarks as if a very different subject were under investigation as if you gentlemen and the citizens of Boston desired to investigate Mrs. Lincoln's philanthropic action, or her business relations in regard to the tenement-houses.

Mr. REED. — 1 said nothing about that.
Mr. BRANDEIS. I say that Mr. Reed's action
Mr. REEI).
Mr. RILEY. Don't let him interrupt you, Brother Brandeis.

Mr. REEI). – I rise to a question of personal privilege, Mr. Chairman.

The CIIAIRMAN. After Mr. Brandeis is through talking the Chair will allow Mr. Reed all the time he wants to reply

Mr. REED. I don't want to have the time at another time. I want now to say

Mr. BRANDEIS. You :ire taking my time now.

Mr. REED. -- I want to say that what Mr. Brandeis has said about me in this connection is untrue and unfounded. I said nothing about tenement-houses, made no reference to that question, anil that is something that Brother Brandeis brought out himself from Mr. Galrin. I am not responsible for it, and I want that distinctly understood.

Mr. BRANDEIS. – I thought you would like it distinctly understood that you made a misstatement in regard to Mrs. Lincoln in your opening Mr. REED. I have not. Mr. BRANDEIS. - You have, sir. Mr. REED. – That depends on the evidence. Mr. BRANDEIS. And I offer Dr. Rowe's letter to show.

Mr. REED. - That has got nothing to do with it. It has no place here.

Mr. RILEY. – Read it, Mr. Brandeis, anyhow.

Mr. BRANDEIS. I say the attitude taken by the defence in this case has not been to defend themselves against accusation which we believe Cinnot be defended against.

Mr. PROCTOR. That is argument.

Mr. BRANDEIS. But it has been to attempt to criticise the actious of Mrs. Lincoln, and to make remarks which they were sure would go into the public press, which would lead people to believe that facts were true which had not the slightest basis for foundation. I think, therefore, that what I offer now has nothing to do with the evidence in the case, because the remarks which Mr. Reed makes had nothing whatever to do with the issues which you gentlemen have to in restigate. You might just as well undertake to investigate the actious of each witness who has come from his business, from public duties and from social duties, as Mr. Reed to comment on these matters. I say, therefore, that when I offer to real Dr. Rowe's letter, to show that Mr. Reed's statement was without a particle of foundation, I do not now offer any evidence, because that statement bears upon something which is not within the scope of this investigation, and which counsel should not have stated, to put it mildly. I ask, therefore, for leave to read Dr. Rowe's letter bearing upon the statement from Mr. Reed's opening, which I read to the committee at the outset.

The CHAIRMAN. Ilas Mr. Keed any further remarks to make before the Chair rules on that question.

Mr. REED. — I have only this to say. It may be a repetition, but I simply desire to say that I made certain statements in my opening. I said, Mr. Chairman, that

It was during his term as superintendent at Long Island that on a certain day in March, 1893, as Mrs. Lincoln says, “two patients, both helplessly ill, are to be landed on Long Island. The weather is stormy, bluwing a gale. No ambulance is ready to meet the boat. The unfortunate women have to remain on board while it goes to Rainsford Island and returns to Long Island because of the delay in preparing the ambulance. A little foresight, a little consideration, would have apprised the authorities that two sick and helpless patients were expected.” That is her statement, and that her criticism. Both are unfair and unjust. Mrs. Lincoln, and Mrs. Lincoln alone, was responsible for that occurrence. She took those women on Long Island on that storniy day. She was met at the boat by the physician in charge of the hospital at Loug Island. She was told by them that the hospital was full and these two women would be cared for at Rainsford Island, but she insisted that beds be provided in the hospital at Long Island, and Superintendent Galvin yielded to her demand and crowded two more beds into the wards where Mrs. Lincoln decided these patients must go. It was not the work of a moment to provide these beds and to crowd together still further the already crowileil patients in the warri selected by Mrs. Lincoln for these two women. What was to be done? Should the bwat be held at Long Island pending these preparations? Certainly not. The proper thing to be done under the circunstances was done. The boat made her trip to Ruinsford Island and returned, and these unfortunate old women were properly and kindly taken on shore at Long Island. The original plan of the physician to send them to Rainsford Island, where they would have been just as kindly cared for as at Long Island, was the proper plan. Out of consideration for Mrs. Lincoln, Superintendent Galvin changed that plan to conform to her wishes, although against the judgment of the physician in charge, and now she shows her appreciation of that kind treatment by publicly charging the management of the institulion with that for which she alone was responsible.

Now, Mr. Chairman, the point of that is just this: those women were taken down the harbor on that stormy day. Whether that was a proper day to take old ladies clown the harbor or not

The CHAIRMAN. -- Excuse the Chair, but the question to be argued is whether the letter should be read or should not be read.

Mr. REED. — Well, I am leading up to that.

The CHAIRMAN. — We do not propose to cut either gentleman short, but it is not necessary, it seems to the Chair, to go over so much ground or to rehearse all the evidence.

Mi. Reed. And unnecessary, it seems to me, Mr. Chairman and gentlemen, to allow Mr. Brandeis to interpolate here, anyway. The defence is now putting in evidence. If he is to be allowed to interject arguments in evidence whenever he pleases we shall never have an opportunity to offer our evidence. Now, all I want to say is this, that I have not criticised there, anywhere, the fact that those women were taken down the harbor on that day. I do not say that Mrs. Lincoln was responsible for their going down the harbor. Very likely Dr. Rowe Wi18 – I don't say he was not.

Mr. LINCOLN. You say that.

Mr. Reel). — Now, if Mr. Lincoln is to take the floor it is going to take still longer.

Mr. Riley. - You ought to be thankful.
Mr. REED. -- And Mr. Riley, too

- And Mr. Riley, too – he will take more time. Now, what I mean to say by that is this — and I think à careful reading of it will convince everybody that that is the proper purport of that language

that because those women were not received when they first got to Long Island, that is charged to the management of Long Island. They say they should have had an ambulance there to meet the boat. I say that that is not a proper criticism, for this reason, that provision had been made for those old ladies at Rainsford Island ; that when they reached Long Island the physician met Mrs. Lincoln and informed her of those facts, but notwithstanding those facts she insisted that they be taken on shore on Long Island — that she was responsible for the delay on the boat; that she was responsible for keeping them there until the ambulance came, and having them taken orer to Ruinsford Island and back. All that is what I lay to her, and I propose to prove it. Now, I do not propose to comment on the weight of the evidence that I have offered or will offer at this time; neither do I propose to comment on the weight of the evidence in the shape of a letter which Mr. Brandeis offers here at an improper time. But I do say that I should be allowed to offer what evidence I have on that point, to support that statenient, and every statement I have made before Mr. Brandeis is even allowed to criticise a statement I have made. After I get all through and put in my case I am willing to come here and listen to him in his rebuttal, and not until then. Now, Mr. Chairman, I have offered some evidence on this point, and I will read the evidence I have offered.

Mr. Riley. — I object to his reading the evidence again. That takes time.

Mr. REED. Just before you left Long Island it has been said that two women, both helplessly ill, were landed there, and the management has been criticised for delay in providing an ambulance ? ” That is my question to Mr. John Galvin, who was formerly superintendent at Long Island. His reply is: “I couldn't see any delay. The preparations were made before the parties left Boston, and they were to go to Rainsford Island. Consequently they were not expected at Long Island, and they occupied the same space in going from Long Island to Rainsford as they did from Boston to Long Island, which úid not discommode them any in the least. Preparations had been made by the doctor to receive them at Rainsford Island, as the hospital was full on Long Island, and consequently they couldn't take them there. But Mrs. Lincoln pleaded so hard to get them to Long Island that I couldn't resist her, and I told the doctor possibly it would be better to take them to Long Island on that account, and they were taken there.

Q. (By Ald. LEE.) How long afterwards? A. Three-quarters of an hour. We went from Long Island to Rainsford ; stopped about ten niinutes.

Q. Was there where the plea was made to bring them back to Long Island ?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. (By Mr. Reed.) Were they moved from the boat, Mr. Galvin, at the first stop at Long Island ?

A. No, sir.

Q. The room in the boat where they were placed was warm, I presume, and comfortable?

A. Not exposed to the weather at all; not a Parker House room, by any means, but a good, confortable room, sheltored from the cold. They didn't suffer any cold whatever.

Q. And when they came back to Long Island a second time I presume you took good care of them?

4. They were taken as good care of as I know how.

Now, I say there is some evidence in support of the proposition which I made. I have more evidence on that very point. I wish you gentlemen to take that evidence and weigh it. If Mrs. Lincoln desires to take the stand after that and contradict that evidence, if Mr. Brandeis has any letter to offer to contradict that evidence, well and good, there is a proper time to place that evidence, well and good,

there is a proper time to place that evidence before you. Then, gentlemen, you should weigh that evidence, and I am not saying that Mrs. Lincoln's statement is not better than anything I can bring here. That is for you gentlemen to decide.

Mr. BRANDEIS. — You admit that she had nothing to do with their going down their on that stormy day?

Mr. REED. ~ I say it makes no difference whether she did or not.
Mr. BRANDEIS. Well, you adınit that, don't you?

Mr. REED. No, I do not. I say if she took them from Long to Rainsford Islands she is responsible for what she criticises the management for. That is what I say and all I say

Mr. BRANDEIS. – You don't say now that she took them all, do you?
Mr. REED. Never did so.
Mr. BRANDEIS. You did in your statement?

Mr. Reed. Well, I reiterate that she took them from Rainsford Island back to Long Island. I didn't say she took them from the city.

The CHAIRMAN. It seems to the Chair that the opening argument of the counsel for the defence contains statements which the defence proposes to substantiate by evidence, and until those statements are substantiated by evidence, it seems to the Chair that they merely stand before the committee its an opening argument or a statement; that whatever statenients are made in that opening argument, the defence having commenced its case, it is improper for the committee to receive any contradictions in regard to from the counsel on the other side. It it the ruling of the Chair that the introlluction of the letter at this time is improper, and that the letter may be read at some future time in rebuttal.

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REGINALD H. FITZ, M.D. – Sworn. Q. (By Mr. REED.) What is you full, name, doctor? 4. Reginald H. Fitz. Q. Are you a practising physician in Boston ? A. Q. How long have you been in practice, Dr. Fitz ? 1. Since 1870. Q. Can you tell us, doctor, where you were educated as a physician ? 1. At the Hillvard Medical School.

Q. And what year did you graduate from the Harvard Medical School ?

A. 1868.

Q: Did you take any further course in medicine, or pursue your studies any further?

A. Two years afterwards, in Europe.
Q. And are you a member of any of the medical societies?
A.
Q. Will you please name them?

A. The Massachusetts Medical Society is one, the Association of Physicians is another, Medical Improvement Society -- there are several societies I belong to.

Q. And have you any connection with the Harvard Medical School at present ?

s. I have
Q. Will you state what it is ?
d. One of the professors there.

Q. One of the professors of the Harvard Medical School? Aren't you one of the visiting physicians at the Massachusetts General Hospital?

I am.

A. I am.
Q. And how long have you served in that capacity
Å. I have been there for the last five or six years.

Q. Are there any other institutions or hospitals with which you are connected professionally ?

A. There ille none.
Q. And you have an office in Boston ?
A. I have.

Q. Have you ever been on Long Island in Boston Harbor to visit the hospitals?

d. I have.
Q. And how many times have you been there?
A. Twice.

Q. And will you tell us when you first went there -- the date of the first visit?

I went there early in the summer.
Q. The past summer.
A. The past summer.
Q. And when was the last time?
A. Within a few weeks.

Q. Now, did you know the character of the diseases which were treated in the hospital at Long Island ?

A. I did.
Q. And what would you say was the character of the diseases ?
A. Mostly chronic diseases.

Q. Was your attention called to any acute diseases the first time that you visited the hospital?

A. I don't recollect whether I noticed any acute diseases or not.

Q. But you say that the diseases treated in that hospital are mostly chronic?

4. So I found them at that time.

Q. Do you remember how many patients were being treated in the hospital at the time you were there?

A. I do not.

Q. And you say that there were more than thirty patients confined to their beds?

A. Might have been as many as that.
Q. Well, should you say that there were more than that ?
Mr. RILEY. - He doesn't say there were as many as that.
Mr. REED. – But there might have been as many.
Mr. RILEY. - Yes, he takes the words out of your mouth.
Mr. REED. – I thought I took the words out of his mouth that time.

Q. And you say they were more than thirty patients confined to their beds, doctor, at that time?

4. My knowledge isn't exact in that matter. I have merely a general impression. I made no note of it at the time.

Q. You passed through the women's ward and the men's ward, did

you not?

A. I did.
Q. Did you visit the place where the medicines are kept?
A. I did.

Q. And what would you say as to the supply of medicines kept there?

A. I should say there was an abundant supply.

Q. And from your examination of any of the medicines, what should you say as to the quality of the medicines ? Were they poor medicines or were they good medicines ?

A. I formed nu opinion on that subject. The botiles were labelled and looked like any medicine bottles that any one would see in an apothecary shop.

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