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to be introduced in this form; and before the witness is allowed to proceed in this matter I propose to make a motion, Mr. Chairman, that the doctor be requested to permit the counsel who represent the people here in this matter to look at that document; and upon that motion I ask for the yeas and nays.
Mr. REED. - Mr. Chairman, I only want to say this
The CHAIRMAN. There is a motion before the house. Alderman Lomasney makes a motion that before the committee allow the witness to read his statement it be tendered to the counsel on the other side, that they may peruse it. Is that the sense of your motion?
The CHAIRMAN. they may examine it.
Ald. FOLSOM. Mr. Chairman, as one member of this committee I desire to see only fair play on both sides. From a legal standpoint, I am not prepared to argue whether it is a proper course or not, but it seems to me, Mr. Chairman, that this witness. comes here charged with a great many serious faults in his conduct as an officer of the institution. It seems to me only proper that he, not being able, perhaps, to answer all those charges from memory, should be allowed to read his answer. Then, it seems to me, that the counsel on the other side have ample opportunity to cross-examine him. I do not believe they want anything but what is fair play. It seems to me, looking at it from that standpoint, that this is only fair, in order to give both sides fair play. From a legal standpoint I am not prepared to say whether it is proper or not; but looking at it from a common-sense standpoint, it seems to me no more than fair that he should be allowed to read it. They will then have an opportunity to cross-examine him, and if his statement is not made from facts, it seems to me very easy for them to find that out afterwards.
That they may examine it, sir.
That it shall be tendered to the counsel, that
The CHAIRMAN. You have heard the motion made by Alderman Lomasney. All in favor of that motion will, when their names are called, so signify by saying "Aye," and those opposed will say Nay."
Ald. FOLSOM. Mr. Chairman, I would like to ask before that vote is taken just how it will stand just what the vote is to be. Is it that the counsel for the other side are to take the paper and have a chance to go through it?
Look at it.
Mr. REED. - Mr. Chairman, when I wanted to make some remarks a few moments ago I was told to keep quiet. I hope Mr. Riley will be kept quiet, too.
Mr. RILEY.— You will find it hard to keep me quiet.
That is, to read the whole of it?
Ald. LOMASNEY. Mr. Chairman, I certainly thought the gentleman did not understand my motion when he made the remarks he did; because while he talks on the question, looking at it from one side he should always remember that there are two sides. The counsel who represent the people here should see the
document, to be sure that there is nothing in this document that should not come before this committee properly. The counsel on the other side have seen all the papers introduced, and they should have the same privilege. I don't suppose they are going to burn it or hold it for two or three hours.
The clerk will call the roll.
Ald. LEE. (who has just come in). What is the question,
The question is on allowing the counsel, Messrs. Riley and Brandeis, to see the statement prepared by Dr. Cogswell before the witness reads it.
I want to see the paper before he uses it.
To look at it.
How long a time is it going to occupy, Mr Chair
Only a few minutes.
It won't delay you at all. The clerk called the roll, and the motion was carried yeas, 5; nays, 2.
Yeas. Ald. Hallstram, Lee, Lomasney, Sanford, Witt - 5. Nays. Ald. Folsom, Presho
(Dr. Cogswell handed the statement to Mr. Riley, who walked back to his table. Dr. Cogswell also walked over near the table.)
Mr. RILEY. (To Dr. Cogswell.) You cannot be present. We don't want you here.
(Messrs. Reed, Curtis, and Proctor also walked over to the side of the chairman's desk on which Mr. Riley was.)
Ald. WITT. Mr. chairman, I would not have voted to allow them to examine that paper if I had supposed it was to make a quarrel here.
Mr. RILEY. Let them keep to the other side of the house. Ald. WITг. I think the business of the Board of Aldermen is not conducted on legal points, but that it is conducted on the basis of common sense; and I hope this hearing will be conducted the same way.
Mr. RILEY. I won't allow them to be here. Get them over to the other side of the house. You must get over there. I don't wonder that you act as you do. Guilt always does it. Mr. Chairman, will you get these people over to the other side of the
(While Mr. Riley was talking, Mr. Brandeis and several members of the committee were consulting together.)
Ald. PRESHO. - Mr. Chairman, I move that this discussion be carried on so that all the committee can hear it.
The committee will take a recess for ten
The CHAIRMAN. minutes.
Mr. RILEY. Now, Mr. Braudeis, we will go over this privately (walking over to the corner of the room with the paper.)
Mr. CURTIS. That is the worst I ever saw. Has this committee adjourned, Mr. Chairman?
The CHAIRMAN. This committee has not adjourned. It has
taken a recess of ten minutes.
Mr. CURTIS. — I don't suppose, Mr. Chairman, that you want this to come down to a case of personal controversy. I never heard of papers belonging to one side being allowed to be carried off by the other. If you do not propose to protect our rights, I give you fair notice now that we propose to go wherever those papers go, notwithstanding Mr. Brandeis, Mr. Riley, or any one else; and if you wish to preserve the dignity of the Board of Aldermen and prevent a scene you will preserve our rights and get those papers.
Mr. PROCTOR. The position, Mr. Chairman, is this: The prosecution take the position that any of our witnesses before they can be examined are to be taken aside by Brother Brandeis and Riley to be examined by them, to see whether or not their testimony is of such a character as suits the prosecution. That is the position. That is what the committee here have voted. We have offered testimony nothing more than that—and the committee allows the other side to have it. I want to put myself on 1ecord in regard to that.
The CHAIRMAN. Chair?
Will Mr. Riley please hand that to the
(Handing paper to the Chairman.) We have not looked at it yet. Those gentlemen were bad-mannered enough to come over and interrupt us.
The CHAIRMAN. The committee will please come to order. The Chair will state that he has in his possession a statement by Dr. Cogswell which it is proposed shall be read, and which the committee has just voted that the counsel shall see. Now, it is for the committee to further instruct the Chair whether or not the witness shall be present while the counsel examine these papers or not. It seems to the Chair that this matter might be better adjusted if the committee were to go into executive session and consider it.
Ald. SANFORD. - Mr. Chairman, I move you that this committee go into executive session at once.
The motion was carried, and the committee, at 5.02 P.M., went into executive session.
The members of the committee reassembled in the Aldermanic Chamber and were called to order at 5.55 P.M.
The CHAIRMAN. Dr. Cogswell, you may read your statement. Dr. Charles H. Cogswell read the following statement:
STATEMENT BY DR. CHARLES H. COGSwell.
MR. CHAIRMAN AND GENTLEMEN OF THE COMMITTEE: I have come here to-day to answer as intelligently as I can all questions relative to the institution at Long Island since March 20, 1893, when I assumed charge. Before being questioned, however, I should like to make a few statements, and incidentally correct a few misstatements. Had I the facile pen and vivid imagination of some I might carry you along in an entertaining and mildly
low mockery of describing things as they are," To what? What is that?
As it is, I shall confine myself to "the hol
The CHAIRMAN. Please do not interrupt the witness.
Dr. COGSWELL (continuing to read). — As it is, I shall confine myself to the "hollow mockery of describing things as they are, having somewhat of an advantage over most of the previous witnesses of personal knowledge of the matters in question.
No one can have welcomed this investigation more gladly than I, for while the notoriety gained is not at all enviable, the results obtained will, I hope, compensate us in a great measure. For months past our institution has been persistently misrepresented in the public press. Insinuations in the form of interrogation and false statements have occupied about an equal space. No attempt at refuting these was made, in the belief that this investigation, so long promised, would by its thoroughness and impartiality show the true condition of our institution as it stands to-day, and that is what we earnestly desire.
Of course, every witness so far bas heen actuated entirely by a spirit of humanity. To impute different motives would be most uncharitable. I wish you to distinctly understand, however, that I am fully as much interested in the welfare of the men and women under my charge as any one to whom you have yet listened.
About one-third of Mrs. Lincoln's opening statement is devoted to fire appliances or lack of same, water supply and telephone. none of which come under my charge, to extraneous matters such as "Gentlemen, gentlemen, I lay aside once and forever the hollow mockery of describing things as they are," The time has come for the cry of the poor and oppressed to be heard," and to a motion to get the report of the Board of Visitors before the public. More than one-half of the statement dealt with her friend's reception and treatment at Austin farm, and alleged abuses and mismanagement at Long and Rainsford Islands before March 20, 1893. There remains hardly more than one-seventh of the whole which reflects on my management.
She calls attention to the food in this way: "What is this they say: The food is short and poor- they cannot drink the tea. Here is a sample of it. Along with this uninviting spectacle they humbly present a specimen of their breakfast." The presentation was quite dramatic; not so the attempt at identification. That, however, was not the kind of tea we furnish, and you will have an opportunity later to test it here for yourselves. Our breakfasts consist of coffee or tea, bread and butter, with Indian meal porridge or mush added twice a week, differing somewhat from the alleged sample, and no man ought ever to go hungry, for there is always plenty. She says, "A competent witness will tell you that the milk in the new hospital on Long Island is continually short, and that the diets given to the patients do not correspond with the printed lists." Judging from the testimony, you have not heard a competent witness on the subject.
I think now will be as good a time as any to explain this diet
list and milk question. This diet list, as they persist through ignorance in calling it, is not a diet list at all, never was intended for such, was never considered so by me, nor did I think it ever was by any one until I heard some of the witnesses before this committee. It is simply a diet order for patients, as any one can see by reading what is plainly printed at the top. The purpose for which it was gotten up would have been equally well served had there not been a single article of food printed on it anywhere. The articles were printed to save the nurse from writing them. It is used by the nurse to notify the cook how many rations of an article are needed, and at what time of day. By combining the different ones from all the nurses the cook estimates how much of each are to be ordered from the store. So Mrs. Lincoln does not state the truth when she says, "They are intended for the benefit of visitors." The only printed diet list we have is that of our house diets, which can be found hanging up in the kitchen, and you will find that it corresponds exactly with the diet furnished to the patients, except what may be added in the way of special diets, and of these there is no list printed. Our special diets from which the physicians can order are very liberal aud will compare favorably with most hospitals. They are beefsteak, beef-tea, mutton broth, chicken broth, eggs raw or boiled, buttered toast, milk toast, gruel, crackers, milk, baked apples, apple-sauce, and graham bread. I have been ready at all times to furnish any of these articles, with a little notice, whenever ordered by the attending physicians, and have done so. The physicians have always been and will be the sole judges of the necessity of these articles for the patients. I personally never discouraged the use of any of our special diets, never refused them nor, on the other hand, have I ever advocated them. Mrs. Evans and Dr. Parker have given their stories relative to the ordering of chicken broth last January. As my name was introduced, let me add my story. The first time she came down to Long Island Mrs. Evans asked me why some of the articles of diet printed on the diet order were not given, and I told her I supposed because the physicians did not think them necessary, that they would be furnished whenever ordered by the doctors.
One evening after Mrs. Evans had visited the island, Dr. Parker told me he was going to order some chicken broth, not that he had ordered it; and I asked him what for, if there was any one who needed it. He said " No," but that Mrs. Evans had gone through the wards that day asking some of the patients if they would not like chicken broth, etc., and that she had asked him to order it. I, as a friend, not as superintendent, advised him not to order it at that time unless he had some very good reason for doing so, for if he did it then, they would say he had neglected the patients in not ordering it before, and the sequel shows I was right. I did not know or care whether he ordered it or not after I had advised him, but I did know the day after from the fact that no order came from the cook for chicken, that Dr. Parker had not ordered chicken broth, and he swore here under oath that he did not order it. The next time Mrs. Evans came down she asked me