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Q. (By Mr. BRANDEIS.) Well, the date on which he appears to be receipted for dissection is Nov. 25. I think the date must have been a few days before that. Now, doctor, when clerk Hinds told Mrs. Moran that Edward Cuddy had been buried, what do you understand that he meant?
A. Vell, as he told me, he said that he was buried, but if she wanted to get the body she would have to see the superintendent about it. And he told me
I isked him what he told her that for. He said that he didn't harlly like himself to tell her that the body had been sent up for anatomical purposes and he had rather that I should tell her.
Q. Then he knew that Edward ('uddy had not been buried, but had been sent up for anatomical purposes?
A. He should have known it.
Well, I suppose he didn't want to tell her.
A. Yes, sir.
4. Well, he keeps these books that we have got here – the death book and the burial book. Those are kept under my supervision and the supervision of the deputy.
Q. He keeps the death book — that is one book; and the burial book another book!
4. Yes, sir.
Q. Yes, keeps those two books, the death and burial books. What other book does he keep?
A. He keeps the invoice book.
A. It shows the daily receipts at the island or not the receipts, but the bills, the itemized bills.
Q. You mean the itemized bills of everything that comes to the island ?
A. Yes, sir.
A. That gives the name and age, height and weight, birthplace, birthplace of father and mother, occupation, and remarks, about all the inmates that arrive there.
Q. Yes. Now, does he keep that book under supervision, or does he do that by himself?
A. Well, he keeps it under certain supervision of myself, — that is, that it is kept up to date. He keeps it the same as any clerk would keep
Q. Any book?
Q. Well, now, that is the fourth book. Now, what other books does he keep?
A. Then he keeps what I should call a journal.
from John Jones and William Smith, John Jones $10, with the date. It is the total of what I call tlie invoice book.
A. That is a book on which all of the requisitions, the monthly requisitions or semi-monthly requisitions are kept. We keep the stub, and the requisition is sent to the city.
Q. That is the sixth set. Now, what else does he keep?
A. He keeps a book that -- I don't know exactly what you would call it. It is a book that contains a copy, a double copy.
Å. Of the itemized bills, stubs, the original of which is sent to 14 Beacon street and the duplicate is kept down there.
Q. That is the seventh set of books is it?
Ă. That is the book in which is recorded - if a man is sent to the city for any breach of discipline his name is recorded in that, and what he is sent away for.
Q. Yes; what else? Then there is a book, isn't there, that records the doings of the officers, the business of the officers, and the like, isn't there?
A. Yes, sir.
A. That is all I remember of now. Perhaps Dr. Parker can remember.
Mr. REED. Dr. Ernst is here now and would like to take the stand. He is anxious to get away as soon as he can.
This is the second time he has been here.
The CHAIRMAN. - In a moment.
Q. (By Mr. BRANDEIS.) Now,!besides these ten sets of books, what other books does this clerk Hinds keep?
A. That is all that I remember now.
Å. No, sir, he does not. I will tell you what he does keep, in regard to Rainsford Island -- the admissions and discharges are still kept on our register and index book.
Q. Kept on your book, and consequently that is another separate book that he keeps ?
A. No, sir; it is the same.
Q. How long has he been engaged in that occupation ?
Q. And what is the salary which he received for that important service ?
A. One dollar per set.
Q. And that is the clerk to whom you entrust the keeping of the records of Long Island ?
A. Yes, sir; and I think he is fully competent to do it, too.
(The testimony of Dr. Cogswell was suspended at this point, in order that Dr. Ernst might testify.)
HAROLD C. ERNST, M.D.- Sworn.
Q. Have you had any further course in medicine since leaving the Harvard Medical School?
A. Well, I have been abroad several times and took a special year's work at the school.
Q. Are you connected with any institutions professionally at the present time?
A. With the Massachusetts Hospital and with the Harvard Medical School
Q. And what position do you hold in the Massachusetts Hospital ?
Q. Now, last sunmer did you have charge of the Children's Hospital at Rainsford Island ?
Q. Will you kindly describe to the committee your connection with that how it came about, what the summer hospital was, and where located ?
A. The summer hospital was located in the old building on Rainsford Island that was originally built for a small-pox hospital. And my connection with it was, in the first instance, purely accidental.
Ald. LOMASNEY. - Mr. Chairman, I would like to ask if there has any criticism been made of the management of the Children's Hospital ? If there has not been
The CHAIRMAN. I don't upderstand that there bas.
time of the committee by going into the fact that he was there and established the hospital. That is settled by his own statement. I don't believe there is any need of going into the matter in this way, clescribing in detail everything connected with the hospital.
Mr. RILEY. The newspapers have had it all.
Ald. LOMASNEY. It seems to me if there had been an attack in any way is il public institution, it would be all right, but I certainly object to introducing details here in regard to a private institution as I did once before, on the ground that it is unnecessarily taking up the time of this committee. He can establish the fact that he has been on Rainsford Island and is familiar with the institution, without going into, in any degree, the necessity or the advisability of the work done by that hospital there.
Mr. REED. – I haven't asked him any such question as that.
Ald. LOJASNEY. Well, I simply spoke for the purpose of saving our time.
The CHAIRMAN. The Chair thinks it is competent evidence to put in to show whether the building is a good building for hospital purposes.
The W'ITNESS. --I don't know whether the committee wants the whole story or some part of it, but my connection with the institution at all was purely accidental. I was on my way to the quarantine steaner. The suggestion of the need of a place for the sick children in the city came up. I had been impressed with that myself very much indeed, because I see in the summer all the children that come to the Massachusetts Hospital.
Q. (By the CHAIRMAN.) Doctor, excuse the Chair — you went down there and established a hospital, I understand ?
Q. And will you state to the committee whether the hospital suited your purpose or not?
d. "Yes, it suited the purposes.
Q. Did you make application to the commissioners for permission to use that building as a hospital?
A. I made no application. The commissioners offered it.
Q. The commissioners tendered you the use of the building on Rainsford Island, did they not?
Yes. Q. And established the hospital there. Now, do you remember, doctor, when the first instalment of patients was taken down there?
The Sth of August. Q. And how long did you continue to use that building as a sunmer hospital?
A. The last patients were taken on the 15th and we closed it on the 18th.
Q. Did you have immediate charge of the hospital ?
I did, yes.
. Dr. Page, C. G. Page.
A. The Sisters of St. Margaret. There were two of them always and most of the time three, and we had from three to four trained nurses besides.
Q. And the transportation from the city to the island — how was thiit arranged?
A. It was furnished on the city steamer, the “ Bradlee."
Q. Now, do you remember how many patients were treated there during the summer?
A. I don't remember exactly. The total of mothers and children that were there during the five weeks was 150. Of that number there were from 1:30 to 135 that were patients.
Q. Now, this old building was put in order for you by the commissioners, was it not?
Q. So the renovation of the building was a part of this good work that was furnished by the city ?
Q. Then you received your daily supply of bread for that children's hospital from veer Islanıl?
Q. You considered that bread, then, a proper and suitable kind of bread for use in that hospital?
Q. And as to the suitability of the building for the purposes for which you used it?
A. With some improvements, I shouldn't want a better building built to-diry.
Q. Well, what was the result of this venture? Was it satisfactory?
I think so, perfectly.
Q. (By Mr. REED.) During your visits to Rainsford Island and down the harbor, did you erer go on to Long Islaud ?
Q. Now, after visiting the Long Island hospital and looking through the wards, with what impression as to that hospital did you go away?
A. A good one.
2. Then you were favorably impressed on the whole with that hospital as a hospital for the purposes for which it was intended ?
Q. And I understand you to say that the old building on Rainsford Island, as prepared for you by the commissioners, was a suitable building for the purposes for which you used it ?
Q. (By the CHAIRMAN.) Dr. Ernst, how many children were there at any one time?