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A. No, sir.
We had that one.
Q. I say that was the one book you had of William O'Brien's death, and where he appears to have been buried eight days before he died and to have been buried in the same grare with John McManus.
Mr. PROCTOR You are raising the time in your joke. It was six days the last time.
Nr. BRANDEIS. You are right, sir. This is one of the few instances, Brother Proctor, when you are correct.
Q. Now, let us pass on to the next person who died here. After December 3, who was the next man that died ?
A. Louis G. Herrick.
Q. Louis G. Herrick, yes. Well, now, what happened to him after his death?
A. He was buried.
. what appears to have happened to him ? He seems to have been buried, does he?
A. Seems to have been; yes, sir. Q. That is in your new record book. Now, what date was he buried that is in your record book now? What date was he buried ? d. December 18. Q. And died when ? A December 7.
Q. December 7. Well, now, this record book, this grocer's pass book burial book which you have here, doesn't contain any record of his burial, does it?
Doesn't seem to there, no.
d. No, sir.
d. Dr. Parker is there, and he could probably have pointed it out to you.
, I guess.
A. Well, probably when he copied that over he might not have copied it exactly from the record — night have taken a different one.
Q. Well, but where did he copy it from at all? It doesn't appear here anywhere, does it, at all ?
A. Night have had another book, for all I know.
A. The next man was a woman — Hannah Downey, age 73, died of senile diarrhea, and was taken.
Q. Her body was taken ?
A. She died December 11, of senile debility.
d. Well, Mary She: died December 12, of carcinoma, ind her body was taken; James Murray died December 14, of phthisis, sent to the city for anatomical purposes; John Ilurley died the 16th, of old age, his body was taken.
Q. Of December?
A. Yes; Georgianna Mahoney died the 17th, of phthisis, and her body was taken ; Charles E. Swett died the 18th, senile debility, and bis body was taken ; Mary O'Brien died the 22d, of apoplexy, and her body wils taken; Ann Cooney died on the 25th.
Q. Of December?
Å. The next was Hannah Hickey, who died on the 15th, of paresis, and was buried January 23.
Q. Now, doctor, we had a few moments ago an instance of John McManus and William O'Brien being buried in one grave, No. 27 ?
4. Yes, sir. Q. Is that the only instance of people being buried in one grave?
Å. No. William O'Brien was an infant about six months of age, and John McManus was a man.
Q. Well, they are still persons, aren't they, both of them?
Yes, sir. Q. Now, was that the only instance of two being buried in one grare, or was that a common practice down there with you?
A. It was a practice we used to bury infants in the graves with adults.
Q. With their parents or with somebody else ?
A. Well, I am happy to say that we never have had occasion to bury the parent and child at the same time.
Q. That is, it was your practice, then, to put in an infant as il sort of makeup in a grave thit happened to be prepared that duy for some aduit.
Q. I wasn't? Well, what do you mean?
1. Well, when we buried an adult, if we had a child at that time we buried the child with the adult.
Q. Yes; and why did you do that?
Q. Well, is there any difficulty in finding space enough to bury the people down at Long Island ?
A. Hasn't been up to the present?
4. Well, just as you said, because we didn't want to use up any more ground th:in we were absolutely obliged to.
Q. Well, how much ground would it take for an extra grave?
A. If we put a child in a grave it would take just as much as it would to bury an adult.
Q. Well, how much is that?
Q. And how large is Long Island ?
the city owns about 168 acres.
2. And you haven't room down at Long Island to give burial, decent burial, to a child?
A. I consider that decent burial.
A. That is what is done in the best cemeteries in this state. There are more graves in the State to-day that have two persons in the grave than there are that have got one, I will venture to say.
Q. You think there are, do you ?
Q: Why do you confine it to two? Why not take them all and put all in one grave ?
A. Because I don't approve of it, don't think it is right.
A. If they happen to die that way, bury two or three. If they happen to die we bury as many as three in one day.
Q. And also in one grave not only in one day?
A. No, not always in one grave. I think we have got three in one grave.
Q. Well, now, you had a good deal to say, doctor, about what the burial book showed in regard to Frederick Rallion, didn't you, and you thought or you argued in your opening argument that the burial book in regard to Fred Rallion would prove that Mr. McCaffrey hadn't told the truth, didn't you?
Mr. REED. Have you got a copy of that statement there, doctor?
Mr. BRANDEIS. Well, he can remember his argument. He must have learned it almost by heart.
Mr. REED. — You didn't think so.
Q. (By Mr. BRANDEIS.) Didn't you say that the date of Rallion's death and burial showed that Mr. McCaffrey couldn't have told the truth ? A.
Q. And the only record of his burial you had was this book here at that time I mean the only contemporary record was this grocer's book that you had ?
Q. Now, I ask you whether it isn't true that that book shows that there has been a tampering with and an erasure of the date of Frederick Rallion's death?
A. No, sir; it does not.
Mr. BRANDEIS. — Gentlemen, I will ask you each to look at this for yourselves. There is the entry about Frederick Rallion down at the bottom.
Mr. PROCTOR. – Dr. Parker appears to know a good deal about that book.
Mr. BRANDEIS. Well, he does know a good deal about it.
Ald. WITT. - That one ?
Mr. BRANDEIS. — No, down at the bottom there. This witness says that date doesn't appear to have been changed. You can examine it for yourselves. (To Ald. FOTTLER). You do not need to put it up to your eyes.
Ald. FOTTLER. - I can tell a little better, you know. My eyesight isn't very good.
Mr. BRANDEIS. There is the date.
Mr. BRANDEIS. — It appears now in its altered condition, I think, the 13th.
The WITNESS, Well, what was it before it was altered ?
Mr. BRANDEIS. – That is what I don't think it is important to know. But it is sufficient to know that it is altered; that it has been tampered with since; that there is put in since.
Ald. WITT. — Hasn't that date there been changed, too?
Mr. BRANDEIS. - Oh, yes, there are other things which I will call attention to I am not through with this yet, only taking one at a time. These are the beautiful records that are kept by the man who gets $10 à month.
Ald. LEE. Who is that?
Mr. BRANDEIS. — Hinds. Clerk Hinds gets $10 a month for his raluable services.
Ald. Wirt. Reduce his salary; he isn't worth it.
The WITNESS. - No, if he couldn't change a record better than that he isn't worth $10 a month.
Q. (By Mr. BRANDEIS. — Well, now, doctor, you gave us one of the books containing records, so-called records, of burials which were kept by Mr. Coakley. Will you turn to that book again.
Mr. PROCTOR. What are his initials --C. W.?
Q. Will yon turn, Dr. Cogswell, to that - Well, noir, Dr. Cogswell, I want to ask you some questions. If the witness is testifying, I would like to have it go on record. Now, Dr. Cogswell, if you are ready to go on with the testimony I would like to ask you a few questions. Are you ready now, doctor?
4. Yes, sir.
Q. Well, you said that this record book which you began of deaths and burials, which you began after the Board of Visitors went down to see you about the 1st of January, that that was copied in part from this other so-called record of burials of 1893, which didn't contain any record of burial. You said it was copied from there, didn't you?
Q. Well, what part? -- ererything excepting these words, Sent to the city," which don't appeair there?
A. No, sir.
Q. Well, now, let us see if there is anything else in this book. Turn bick to Edward Cuddy, because he is an interesting figure.
A. Instead of taking the new record of death book show the number of the death, which doesn't mean anything, I had the registered number inserted.
Q. Of the inmate?
Mr. REED. -- I want to call attention to the fact that Dr. Parker has that book now. In case it is claimed that changes have been made, I want to see where the book goes.
Well, the changes had been made before Dr. Parker
Mr. REED. There is no evidenee of that, sir.
The WITNESS. — Yes, but Dr. Parker has had access to that book for the last eight months.
(By Mr. BRANDEIS.) You think he made the change, do you?
Mr. REED. It doesn't make any difference whether he made the cbange or not. The matter has simply been referred to in view of your contention.
(The stenographer repeated the last two questions and answers on previous page.)
Q. (By Mr. BRANDEIS.) That is, the registered number of the inmates was what you said ?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Now, what else does it show that doesn't appear on this first record of burials that you kept as a contemporaneous record?
A. But that isn't a record of burials.
Q. Well, you call it a record of burials — call it so by the printed words of the book.
A. Yes, sir.
Q. I suppose Mr. Curtis would call it so if he were asking questions about it, wouldn't he?
A. No, I don't think he would.
Å. Shows whether they were sent to the city for anatomical purposes or taken by friends, or buried on the island.
Q. Now, this Coakley who kept this book was a proper person to keep the book, wasn't he?
He didn't keep the book, he only copied it.
A. Had the record in the pedigree book and the record in the registry and the record in the record book.
Q. But this is the only death record you kept?
Q. Yes, under the supervision of the physicians, whatever supervision they gave to it - and it was from this in part that you copied into this new record of deaths which was made up after the visitors were down there. Well, now, I wish you would look at these two books and see whether that was the same Edward Cuddy that appears in the two books?
A. Yes, sir; it was.
Q. Now, according to one book he was eighty years of age, and according to the other book he was seventy years of age. That is more remarkable than being buried before you die.