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that the law officers of this city were of the opinion that you did not have that power?

A. I have never received any official notification that I had any power to detain and punish inmates at Long Island.

Q. And you never liave received any information of any change in the law, have you, recently?

A. No, sir.

Q. Do you remember anything further, doctor, that you want to say about that Suow cottage that was destroyed by fire down there?

A. I should like to say that if we had had all the fire appliances that we have got now, and all that I could imagine that we could ever desire down there within reason, that the cottage couldn't have been saved after we discovered that there was a fire there.

Q. It was located some distance from the institution, was it not?
A. Yes, sir, it was.
Q. And the fire was well under way when it was discovered?

A. The building was, one-third of it, I should say, afire when the fire was discovered.

Q. Do you remember what kind of a night it was?
A. Yes, sir; it was a very cold, blustering night.

Q. In your judgment nothing which you could have had there would have saved that cottage ?

A. No, sir; I don't tbiuk it would have.

Q. Now, in regard to the disposal of Edward Cuddy's body, is it not a fact that you acted in that matter in accordance with the vote of the Commissioners of Public Institutions, that a bood was required by the Commissioners in that vote, under the Public Statutes of Massachusetts, and it was in pursuance of that vote that you sent the body up?

A. That was my idea.

Q. Is there anything further you want to say, doctor, or Lave you any memoranda in regard to what has been asked you?

A. I bave. I thonglit possibly Mr. Brandeis might possibly want to ask a few more questions.

Mr. BRANVEIS. You had better say it now, doctor.
Mr. REED. If you bave got through with him.

Mr. BRANDEIS. No, but I would rather have him say it now. I do not want to examine him until the next time.

Mr. REED. — 1 thought possibly he might have made some minutes. I haven't consulted anybody.

The WITNESS. I wanted to say a little something further in regard to the letter that was read here from Dr. Harkins, in which he stated practically that three matrons newly engaged for the hospital at Long Island on April 23, 1893, had left the island, presumably, from the tenor of his letter, because they couldn't get enough to eat. That was not the fact. At that time I bad not engaged any tliee matrons, new matrons, for the hospital. Those that came from Ruinsford Island with the patients, were there at the time and stayed anywhere from six months to now, and the only foundation for that that could possibly be was that I lire no one man as a cook in the hospital and we found out that there was trouble with the cooking apparatus and there wasn't anything for hert o do, and we let her go. Sbe stayed about two days. Then he wants to give the impression that there was no provisions made for the extra hely that came at that time. In answer to that I wish to say that at no time since I have been there bave we furnished anything less than a pound of meat or a pound of fish every day in the year for every officer and matron employed on the island, and this dosen't take in the turkeys or the tripe, the salt mackarel, ham and eggs. We don't count that in. And in addition to all these things that I have mentioned and the pound of meat, which is all that is allowed in any institution that I know of — that is, as a regular ration allowed for the army and pavy, for the men who are supposed to work hard, laboriously they have all the vegetables in season, and I have here in my pocket-- which I would like to read the menu we offer down there for the officers and matrons.

Q. (By Mr. BRANDEIS.) Is this the menu of the present time, since this investigation began?

A. It is the menu of the present time, and it was the menu that was in operation when I first went there, and it is the menu that has been in operation all the time ever since, with possibly the exception of roast lamb in the place of roast beef, or we sometimes change it to roast veal or turkey. The Sunday dinner consists of roast beef

Q. This is for the officers ?

A. Yes, for the officers. Boiled sweet potatoes, white potatoes, turnips, onions, celery, cranberry jelly, ice cream, pudding, and pie.

Q. (By Mr. RILEY.) Any sberbet there, doctor?

A. Well, we occasionally vary it and give them orange or lemon sherbet, but we liave either ice cream or sherbet every Sunday. Monday they have soup, roast beef, sweet and white potatoes, squash, pickles, pie, or pudding. Breakfast: Steak, baked sweet and white potatoes, hot biscuits and doughnuts, tea, and coffee. The Tuesday dinner: Vegetable soup, roast lamb, mashed turnips, boiled onions, sweet and white potatves. Breakfast: Steak, with baked sweat and white potatoes, hot biscuits, and doughputs. Wednesday: Soup, roast beef, with all the vegetables that we have, with pie or pudding. Thursday: Roast beef, soup, :ind vegetables, and celery. Thursday for breakfast we have: Ham and eggs, hot rolls, and baked sweet and white potatoes. Friday we have fish in some form with vegetables, and we also have oyster stew and fried fish for breakfast, sweet and white potatoes, hot rolls. On Saturday dinner is corned beef and vegetables. They have tea and coffee twice a day and tea for dinner every day, and the suppers also consist, as I say, of tea and coffce, hot liiscuits, cold bread, some kind of sauce and cold meats. I don't know any better recommendation of the way that we feed our officers and mations down there than Dr. Parker. You all saw him when he testified here in the spring. If he get up here and testifies again, as I presume he will, you will see him theo. thinner in the fall when lie came than in the spring when he

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testified here, and I don't believe he can get a suit of clothes on to-day that he had when he came there.

Q. (By Mr. REED.) Is that all, doctor?
A. Oh, no.
Q. (By Ald. LEE.) Doctor, were those diet lists posted ?
A. No, they weren't.

Q (By Mr. RILEY.) Doctor, are you any heavier than when you went there?

A. Well, you see I had been liviug over at Deer Isiand.
Q. (By the CHAIRMAN.) ('ontinue, doctor, with your statement.
A. I want to say a word about this death or burial book.
Q. (By Mr. BRANDEIS.) The death or the burial book?
A. The death or the burial book.

Q. (By the CHAIRMAN.) Excuse me, doctor. I would like you to tell us which is the death and the burial book?

A. That is what I am going to try to do.

Q. Now, doctor, I would like to ask you a feiv questions in regard to these, if you have no objections. Perhaps you can answer these questions. I tind here two books, and a third one wbich you have in your hand ?

A. Yes, sir.
Q. Is there another one also ?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Where is the other one, please?
A. Here.

Q. Let me see that one, please. Now, doctor, will you tell the coinmittee what these books are ? Here is this book here -- tell the committee what this book is? For means of identification it has a number on it, 19171. The headlines are,

The headlines are, “ Record of Burials."

Alderman LEE. Now, what is on the others ?
The CHAIRMAN. - I want him to say first what that book is.
Q. Will you tell the committee what that book is ?

A. That is what was the old book that was there before I went there, which was used as a death record book.

Q. Record of deaths ?
A. Record of deaths.
Q. Not of burials ?

Ă. And from the marks in it I should say that it was attempted to show simply whether a body was buried or was not. It is not a record of burials in any way, shape, or manner. book.

Q. Well, did you attempt to continue this book after you went there?

A. It was continued, but without my knowledge.

Q. And when did you first have knowledge of the existence of this book?

A. About the time that they were making up the annual report in January.

Q. January, 1894?
A. '94.
Q. And then what did you do?

It isn't my 11. I immediately started at work on this record of deaths that you have before you pow.

Q. This record of deaths, the first number on page 1 is 6930 ? A. Yes, sir.

Q. This is the book which you started and what do you consider this book to be?

A. This is a record of deaths.
Q. Record of deaths only?
A. Well, what you see there as a means of identification.
Q. It is not a record of burials?
1. No, sir, it is not.
Q. Well, from what is this book made up?

A. That is made up from the hospital letter book, from the institution register, from the hospital register, and partly from that book there which is headed “ Record of Burials.”

Q. This book?
A. Yes, sir.

Q. But I thought that you didn't have anything to do with that after you started with this?

A I didn't. You asked me what it was made up from. This, you see, goes back to February 1, 1893.

Q. Oh, I see.
A. I verify it. That I try to bave as accurate as possible.
Q. Who keeps this book?
A. Hinds, the clerk in the institution.

Q. And he gets his data for making this book from books that are kept in the hospital?

A. Yes, sir; from records that are sent to him.

Q. So if there be a person who dies he is notified and you give liim the data to put in the book ?

A. Yes, sir.
Q. When do you give him the data ?

A. It is given to him at once. Just as soon as a person dies in the hospital, notification of it is sent to the physician in the office and he fills in the diagnosis and wbat time the patient dies, and that is sent to the front office, the institution office.

Q. Now, will you explain what this book is, this pass hook, as we call it, or as it had been called ?

A. When we first began to bury the bodies on Long Island we didn't bave any book made to keep the record in, because we didn't know exactly what we should want, so we didn't have any book made. But we had the essential facts which were necessary for the identification of bodies only, the number of the grave that the body was put in, the date of burial, and the name of the person.

Q. And this was afterwards kept upon this new record of burials?

A. Yes, sir.
Q. And does Mr. Hinds keep this book?
A. Yes, sir, le does.
Q. Is this book complete up to the present time?
A. Yes, sir, it is.

Q. And there have been no deatlis here since the 19th of April - oli, there is a page omitted.

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A. Well, I will explain that. That doesn't show necessarily the last burial on the last entry, because, for example, here, Ellen Doherty was buried October 12, and Daniel Coughlin buried November 27. He appears in grave 73, whereas Ellen Doherty is in grave 76. That was because in the meantime Haupah F. Looney's body had been removed by friends and Daniel Coughlin was placed in the empty grave.

Q. Well, now, I thiuk I understand. All these names on the record of burials are also on the record of deaths ?

A. No, sir. Every name that appears on the record of burials appears on the record of deaths.

Q. That is what I said.
A. Excuse me,
Q. That is correct, is it?
A. Yes, sir.

Q. I said that all the names on the record of burials would appear on the record of deaths ?

A. Yes, sir.
Q. That is right, is it?
1. Yes, sir.

Q. Then the only difference that would be on the record of burials vonid he that the record of burials would have the number of the grave upon it in which the body wis burical?

A. It has the vumber of the grave, it has the date of burial, and it also would have such a remark as this Taken by his brother, October 29."

Q. (By Ald. LEE.) Well, there are records on that death book that are not on this book?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. (By the CHAIRMAN.) I upderstand that. Now, doctor, I see here under the heading of remarks, " Taken by friends” and “ taken by bis brother.” Now, is there anything to show whom it was that took the body?

A. No, sir. We have no record of what person took the body. We dov't inquire the name of the person who takes the body. The way that a body is delivered down there is as follows: The certificate of death is sent by us to the Board of Health and we notify the friends, if there are any, tbat so and so has died, and if they wish to remove the body they can do so. They go to the Board of Health and a get a permit to remove the body. That permit is taken to 14 Beacon street and there they give them a letter, which is sent to us, or the letter is sent directiy from the Board to us, to either deliver the body in the city on the P.M. or the A.M. boat, just as tbe friends desire. So we don't know who the friends are who take the body. We simply have an order to deliver the body at such and a time at such a place and the friends will take care of the boily after they have received permission to remove it.

Q. You deliver the body, then, at the wharf. That is, to say, you put the body on board the steamer and the steamer takes it to the wharf here in Boston and the steamer puts it on the wharf and the friends come and take it away. Am I right?

A. Yes, sir.

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