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d. It was.
Mr. RILEY. - The trouble is that you have been up pretty early and late dancing with another man that I could name.
The CHAIRMAN, Mr. Riley, will you go on?
Ald. LEE. Well, I will say this for him, that he is the one man who can trip the “light fantastic" and do the “terpsichorean act” better than anybody that I know in Boston.
Mr. Riley. — But he tripped up Tuesday.
Ald. LEE. — Well, Mr. Chairman, many a good man has been tripped up; and I have no doubt that before my friend Riley dies he may be tripped up a couple of times.
Mr. RILEY. – I will never do it dancing.
Q. (By Mr. RILEY. Now, did you say to the Alderman just now that all you heard about it was that a lady was seen coming out of Mr. McCaffrey's room? Is that what you said ?
Mr. PROCTOR. -- I think a reference to the stenographer's notes would show exactly what he did say.
Mr. RILEY. Oh, I don't care much about the reference. I must get at things in my own way.
Q. How do you put it now in regard to what you heard ?
Q. You were asked if your opinion of Mr. McCaffrey was good, and you said it was up to a certain time. You were then asked what changed your opinion, and you spoke about the sending of some choice vegetables to somebody and their not reaching their destination. You remember that, don't you?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. You were then asked if there was anything else, and you said yes. Now, here is the question : "Q. Anything else ? And here is your answer: Yes, I heard that he used to have one of the nurses in his own room until 12 or 1 o'clock in the morning." That is your whole answer. Is it right?
A. No, sir; it is not.
Q. Why I just read it to you. (Reading :) “Yes. I heard that he used to have one of the nurses in his room until 12 or 1 o'clock in the morning."
A. If I said that, it is not what I heard.
A. No, sir; I don't.
Q. Well, niost of us who stood by say that you did say it, and the stenographer and the printed report says so. Then, the fact is, that it is not true? Isn't that so?'
A. No, sir,
Not necessarily. Q. Why, a thing that is not true must necessarily be false, must it not?
It may convey it wrong impression. It was not the impression that I wished to convey in any way, shape, or manner.
Q. In this answer of yours there is not an English word of more than two syllables. A ten-year-old child could understand it. You admit it is not true now, do you not?
1. Well, let me see that, Mr. Riley.
Mr. RILEY. - Your last week's dissipation has demoralized more than yon.
The CHAIRMAN. – Proceed, Mr. RILEY.
Q. (By Mr. RILEY.) Now, the person who give you the information was a person who came from Leer Island ?
A. No, sir.
Q. Well, now, as you refuse to mention pames, I will begin. Wasn't it a Mrs. Whitney?
A. It was. Q. Was Mrs. Whitney on Deer Island when you were there? 1. She was. Q. She was a convict: A. She was arrested and sent there, I suppose, for some purpose or other.
Q. She was a convict ?
Q. And when you left Deer Island to go to Long Island, diil she go there, too? 1.
When I went to Long Island 2. Did she go from Deer Island to Long Island ?
4. No, sir; and she had not been on Deer Island for nearly three years.
Q. When did you go to Long Island ?
&. I am trying to prevent you from galloping in your testimony. When did she go to Galloup's Island:
1. I don't know.
Q. Did she get to Long Island after you got there?
Q. Well, I didn't ask you what you thought, because some people think too much and some too little. With a full knowledge of her record, you were willing to have her as an employee under you?
1. I was. I had had her for nearly three years.
Q. Now, my mind does not work quickly, and I cannot grasp large problems. I want to take the thing simply. You were willing to believe the statement she brought to you in respect to the other employees of the city, were you?
A. I was.
Q. Well, you knew that she brought you stories in regard to McCaffrey ?
4. She didn't until after he left.
Q. I didn't ask you whether it was before or afterwards. I simply asked you for facts.
A. I am giving you facts.
She brought you stories about McCaffrey, didn't she?
A. A story.
Q. Didn't you think that it might cast reflections upon the good name of a decent woman, or at least add nothing to her reputation, to say that she had been in the room of a man who was not her husband as late as 12 o'clock or as early as 1 o'clock - an hour after midnight ?
A. I think Mr. McCaffrey has testified here that they used to come to him and wake him up when they had trouble in those wards.
Q. I am not asking you that. Didn't you think that might be i l'eflection upon the lady's good name ? Now didn't you? A. It might, certainly.
Q. Now, then, you see it was a two-edged sword. If it reflected upon her good name, it must also have reflected upon the man. You understand me, don't you?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Now, if you didn't believe that then, you intentionally did the lady a grievous wrong the other night by mentioning her name ?
Å. I didn't intentionally do her a wrong.
Mr. RILEY. – Oh, no, you couldn't make me do a thing that I thought was wrong
Mr. BRANDEIS. It is as much a wrong on the man as the woman. He was a married man.
Q. (By Mr. Riley.) The Chairinan didn't bring out this answer :
- Yes. I heard that he used to have one of the nurses in his room until
A. Yes, I do.
Q. Now, then, the only nurse you had in mind at the time you uttered that was the lady whose name you gave subsequently?
H. Now, Mr. Chairman, I have got done answering questions on this matter, and that is all there is to it.
Mr. RILEY. — I should think you might. That is, you have got to il position where you want to keep quiet.
The WITNESS. I have got to il position where I think I will keep quiet, Mr. Riley; yes, sir.
Q. Mr. RILEY. Well, I don't blame you. If you wish to leare it therc, of course I cannot help it. Q. (By Ald. LEE.) Now, just a minute. It says here:
Yes. I heard that he used to have one of the nurses in his room until 12 or 1 o'clock in the morning." You say that is not correct?
A. That was not the way that I intended to put it.
wil. That it was reported to me that one of the nurses was seen to come out of his room between 12 and 1 o'clock in the morning.
Mr. RILEY. And he afterwards gave the name of the lady.
Ald. Lee. — Mr. Brandeis demanded it, and the Chairman said that he ruled that the question should be answered. I didn't suppose that he would answer it. If I had, you would hare heard my gentle voice.
Mr. RILEY. — That was long after he liad giren this answer.
Ald. LEE. I know; but it takes a pretty level-headed fellow to stand up and allow both you lawyers to ask all the questions you can think of.
Mr. RILEY.— I wasn't asking him any questions when he said that.
Ald LEE, Well, as I say, if I had known he was going to answer it, you would have heard my gentle voice.
Mr. BRANDEIS. Wouldn't you have objected to his slandering Mr.
Ald. LEE. — TVho?
Ald. LEE. — Well, you know il man can stand it a great deal better than a woman.
Mr. LINCOLN. Well, he is a married man, and has got a wife. I wish you would ask the witness why he said that. I rould like to ask yoll
Ald. LEE. — Now, don't try to get me to testify anything about MCCaffrey, because I won't do it.
Mr. LINCOLN. - No; but I want to ask him a question, why he didn't
The CHAIRMAN. This is wholly irregular. Will Mr. Riley please proceed?
Q. (By Mr. RILEY.) Before being on Long Island, you had been on Deer Island many years and in the employ of the city ?
A. I hall. 2. And were you at Deer Island during the cholera scare of 1892 ? d. I was. Q. You were then the Health Officer, were you? A. I was. 2. And do you remember being on board the " Vigilant” for the purpose of inspecting the baggage of immigrants as they arrived ?
4. No, sir; we never inspected their baggage.
Q. Who looked after the passengers on the European vessels as they reach our port here ?
A. I did, or my assistant.
A. We used to inspect the passengers; and perhaps what you have reference to in regard to the baggage is that we inspected the passenger list to see where they came from, and at that time if they came from any suspicious port we took their baggage and disinfected it.
Q. Where did you take the baggage to?
Q. Well, that is what I was trying to ask you anyhow. You had to help you remove this baggage some prisoners, did you not ?
1. I don't know sir.
Q. That is, you took from the island some prisoners, put them on board of the 56 Vigilant" and had them take the baggage from the vessel on board the “ Vigilant," and then to the island. Am I right?
A. I think undoubtedly we did. It would have been perfectly safe to have had them do it.
Q. To have what?
Q. No; but you make me think of the saying that the guilty flee when no man pursueth.
A. Not a bit.
Q. Then the prisoners did handle the baggage of the immigrants, didn't they?
A. I know that they did at certain times. I don't know whether they did on the "Vigilant” or pot.
Q. That was during the cholera scare?
Q. And then these prisoners were sent back to the prison, I presume?
it. I presume so.
Q. And they were allowed to mingle freely with the other prisoners, were they not?
Q. Well, inasmuch as you had the prisoners to handle the baggage, do you mean to say that you didn't get them to handle the 'clothing ?