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Q. Carried up in what they call “ an ambulance.”
Q. Yes. They were carried from dowpstairs, the lower deck, up to the wharf in the arms of the deck hands.
Q. On to the wharf?
A. Yes, sir. I held the ambulance there and they were placed on the ambulance on the wharf.
Q. (By Mr. PROCTOR.) Did you have charge of the cleaning of the floors while you were deputy superintendent?
A. Yes, sir that is, I oversaw that it was done.
A. As clean as I could keep them with the fising we had to do it with.
Q. Did you keep them clean?
Q. Pardon me I ask you now if the floors were kept properly clean ?
A. No, sir.
A. I did ; if I didn't have the things to do it right, I am not to blame.
Q. Now, you say you used the buggy harness that day?
Q. You could have used it just as well when the boat came
Q. But you could use it just as well then, as later, although the other harness was broken?
A. Didn't have any other harness.
Q. Well, you had a harness and used it, and the patients were taken up to the hospital?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Now, about this report that you say is untrue with respect to a nurse.
You say that it is not a fact? A. It is not a fact. It is absolutely untrue from beginning to end.
Q. I understand you cannot say that now, listen to my ques.
tion — you cannot say that that was not reported to Dr. Cogswell, can you?
1. No, sir.
. I doubt it though.
Mr. BRANDEIS. - I trust that you will indulge in as little repartee as possible as it is desirable that this should be confined as close as possible to direct answers, to save time.
Mr. PROCTOR. Now you are called dowo.
Q. (By Mr. PROCTOR.) You say the statements made in regard to you and the vegetables are not true?
n. I say so.
A. Yes, sir; wish to change it to once. I quoted too many times before.
Q. Your memory was worse then than it is now?
Q. But you did make a statement then that they went to your house two or three times?
A. I think so; yes.
Q. Now, they were sent to the Marcella-street Home in an express wagon, weren't they?
A. They were.
It was referred to in that way.
A. Yes expressman, didn't know who," leading the public to believe that it was some expressman I had hired to take these goods and conceal them in my house. Q. Well, they had come to your house some of the time?
Yes. Q. And some of the time when they should have gone to Dr. Heath's ?
Q. Well, they started 'for Dr. Heath's and ended up at Mr. McCaffrey's — that was the way of it, wasn't it?
Ă. Never, never, never.
Q. Then there wasn't any mistake about it - you intended to send them to your own house?
A. When ?
Q. Yes. Did you tell anybody you were going to send it to your house?
A. Yes, sir. The superintendent more than one time has asked me to take stuff to my home. Will he deny it? Will he stand up here and say he denies it?
Q. Pardon me.
Q. I feel much refreshed. You intended to send the vegetables to your house the times they got there?
A. Yes, sir.
A. No, sir; it wasn't necessary. The first time I asked him he gave me the right to send them whenever I see fit.
Q. Carte Blanche?
A. Yes, sir “ send as much as you please.” He didn't care how much or how little.
Q. Well, you did it ?
A. I sent to the - Vigilant,” to the Marcella-street Home very often, and I have sent to my own home.
Q. Were you the vegetable distributer down there?
Ă. By sending them to Marcella-street Home, instead of throwing them away on Long Island.
Q. You couldn't save them money by sending them to your house?
Q. (By Ald. LOMASNEY.) You were at Marcella-street Home before you went there?
A. Yes, sir; eight years.
Mr. PROCTOR. — I don't see the need of taking up time to go into this. I don't object especially.
Mr. BRANDEIS. – I think Brother Proctor is right.
Ald. LOMASNEY. Now, I don't propose to have the lawyers interfere with me.
Mr. BRANDEIS. – My reason for speaking as I have is this : To-mor
row, of course, is reserved for the committee. One hour of our time to-day was taken out in order to accommodate certain city officials, and I am quite sure Mr. McCaffrey would be glad to come again if the committee desired it. But it seems to me that as to-morrow is the day reserved for the committee, they had better not take up our time to-day.
Ald. LOMASNEY. — Mr. Chairman, the committee have had many hours of their time wasted by the counsel, and I can get at this matter in three minutes, and it probably won't be necessary to have Mr. McCaffery here again.
The CHAIRMAN. The Alderman may go on.
Mr. PROCTOR. May I be heard a moment? My only suggestion is this: It makes no difference to me, but Mr. Cunningham lias appeareil here as counsel for the Marcella-street Home, or for Dr. Heath. Of course, neither Dr. Heath nor Mr. Cunningham are here, and it would seem to be fair if there is to be an attack on that institution that Mr. Cunningham or Dr. Heath should have a chance to be present. That is all I have to say.
Q. (By Ald. LOMASNEY) What are the facts in that regard?
The CHAIRMAN. Before he answers that question, does he know of what he is going to speak of his own knowledge ?
The WITNESS. - I do.
Q. (By Ald. LOMASNEY.) Were you superintendent there or deputy ?
A. No, yard officer.
Q. Now, get at the facts what were the facts about these children being eaten by rats, if they were eaten?
A. There was a baby there by the name of Thomas F. Gallagher --Mr. PROCTOR. — I don't think it is proper to go into this at this time.
Ald. LONASNEY. The committee will give you ample time to look up the facts at the Marcella-street Home.
The WITNESS. Admitted August 4, August 5, eaten by the rats in the cottage. The mother called for the child August 6 and was told the child was sent to the country and she couldn't have it for a month. The five toes on the child's foot was chawn by a rat. The small toe was eaten so it hung by just the least bit of skin. The bed the child was in was saturated with blood. I was the first one called by the niation - to see the child. When I went over to the cottage there was a little boy came and told me the nurse wanted me and I went there and she showed me the child. I asked her what time it happened and she said it was about three o'clock. I asked her how she happened to have her attention attracted and she said she was woke by the cries of the child and listened and thought something was wrong and went down, and as she opened the door, which was closed so as to keep the draught from entering, this rat juniped from the bed, jumped on the floor and ran down behind the radiator. The morning I went over Dr. Heath had the child caring for it, and it was under treatnient a month or more. The mother came for it at the latter part and the child was given to her with a box of salve, and she was told by Dr. Heath in my presence that the child had put its foot against the steam-pipe and burned it and to put this salve on and it would come out all right.
Q. (By Ald. LOMASNEY.). Is that the only case ?
Ă. Another case before that happened. it blind boy, I forget the name, but called “Blind Jim."
Q. Let us have that case; by the way, how old was the Gallagher boy?
A. I should say three years old, something like that. I won't be Q. Give us the case of the blind child.
Ă. This blind child used to sit on the floor, had no other piace for him, no one to care for him, and he was gnawed in his back, around the hip here, by a rat. I haven't got the date here.
Q. Those are the only two cases that came under your observation ?
A. The only two of anybody being eaten by rats, but as to the care of the children in the nursery, there was a woman lived in this nursery, or cottage, as we called it, with thirty-six babies to care for alone, thirtysix babies at one time, and a house of twelve rooms to care for, to do the washing, dressing, and to see that they were properly cared for. This is the model institution, as they claim.
· Ald. LOMASNEY. - Mr. Chairman, I move now that Dr. Heath be allowed an opportunity to rebut the testimony, if he desires to do so.
Q. (By the CHAIRMAN.) You didn't see the rat?
Q. (By Ald. LOMASNEY.) Who was the nurse who saw this occurrence ?
A. Annie Clancy.
A. Annie Morrill she is there now. There is plenty more about the Marcella-street Home if you want to hear it.
Mr. BRANDEIS. – I think, if the Aldermen do not care to go into this, I would like to proceed to Long Island.
Q. (By Mr. RILEY.) As lony as you are on this question, was there a boy named Murphy there in the Marcella-street Home?
A. Yes, sir ; Cornelius Murphy.
A. That boy was taken sick with cholera morbus a while in the hospital. Of course, in that disease they go out of their bead, delirious, and he was left out at night when they locked the hospital doors up. He was raving, and got up out of bed and walked into the bath-room and jumped out of the third-story window, and was picked up by two of the watchmen and brought upstairs. He died the next day, and the hospital diagnosis was given cholera morbus."
Q. (By the CHAIRMAN.) Somebody told you that?
I fixed the screen he jumped through.
A. He was eating the apples there and was taken sick. I fixed the screen which he jumped through.
Q. (By Mr. RILEY.) And then he died ?
A. That is another case there. A child there at the time the scarlet fever was in the institution was taken sick with a luinp on her throat here, a large lump, and the child wasn't properly cared for and there was no night nurse for her, or anything of that kind. The woman who was the night watchwoman of that institution had to go through the hospital and attend to the scarlet fever cases at night and come from