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A. No, sir; that is not so.
Q. You say that Dr. Cogswell spoke to you about the regetables ?
A. Yes, sir.

Q. Have you any recollection of Mr. McCaffrey being over here one day to dinner with you, and that there were no vegetables here, and he made some remark to you about it, and said he would send you up some?

A. No, sir; I have no recollection of it. He never dined with me. He might have dined with the officers; but he never dined with me.

Q. He never dined with you? 4. No, sir; never.

Q You never heard any of them say that the poor-house was furnishing vegetables for this institution ?

A. No, sir; I never did.

Q. Now, there was something said about a child that was bitten in the cheek during this investigation, I think?

Mr. PROCTOR. Yes, I think there was.
The WITNESS. No such thing ever occurred here.
Q. It didn't ?

A. No, sir; that was the only case where there has been any question about a rat doing it — that one time.

Q. (By Ald. LOMASNEY.) What was the name of the nurse that attended ihat child ?

A. Ann Clancy had the cottage.
Q. I mean the child that was said to have been bitten by a rat?
Ă. Ann Clancy.
Q. Who attended the child in the hospital ?
A. Miss Morrill.
Q. Where is she?
A. She is over in the hospital building on this side.

Q. Wasn't there some question in your mind as to whether it was a rat or not?

А Yes, sir.
Q. Did the nurse say she saw the rat in the room ?
A. No, sir. She moreover said she didn't.

Q. Now, about the Murphy boy – as a matter of fact, did he jump out of the window ?

A. No, sir. He never would have been found walking upstairs if he had jumped down those four stories. He never would have picked hiniself up and walked upstairs if he had done that.

Q. I understood you that the nurse left the room ?
A. Yes, sir.

Q. And that when she went back she found the child coming up the stairs ?

A. No, sir. She went up and found the child was gone and called the attention of the watchman to it and they met him going up stairs, and he said he juniped out the window.

Q. From the front door?
A. Oh, no; from the door right by the library.
Q. He was delirious ?

A. I don't believe he knew what he was talking about. He was never very delirious, though.

Q. (By Ald. LEE.) What do you say as to the cause of his death?

A. That he died from the cholera morbus. It is a short disease. Generally they will die in from one to six hours from the time they are taken. But, iis I remember his case, I think he was sick it couple of days.

Q. (By Mr. Proctor.) Then I think he said that this Clancy woman had thirty-six children under her charge at one time?

A. No, sir; that is not so

Q. What is the fact?

4. I don't think I ever had more than ten children there without having some one to lielp her.

Q. (By Ald. LEE.) Is that Clancy woman here now?
A. Yes, sir, she is.
The CHAIRMAN. Do you want to hear her, Alderman?
Ald. LEE. Well, I don't know but we might as well if she is here.

Dr. HEATH. - I spoke to her about your coming and told her you might want her to testify. She was very much alarmed. As she was going to church Christmas morning, she slipped and fell and got a black eye; and she was bemoaning the fact that she had to appear before you in that plight. Of course, if you want to see her, all right; only I thought I would explain that.

Ald. LOMASNEY. — Let us hear what she has to say, and also the Morrill woman.

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The CHAIRMAN. We are here to get some information in regard to some testimony that has been given in relation to some things supposed to have taken place at the Marcella-street Home. We think you can give us some information on that subject, and as all the rest of the witnesses have been sworn, we will ask you to stand up and be sworn before you give your testimony.

The oath was administered by the Clerk of Committees.
Q. (By Mr. PROCTOR.) What is your name?
A. Margaret A. Morrill. Anna M. Morrill I always write my


Q. Well, Mr. McCaffrey said something at the hearing last night about a child which he said was severely bitten by rats a year ago in August, I think. His statement was that all the toes were bitten severely, but that one of them – I think the little one — was so badly bitten that it hung by a shread of flesh. Do you remember the occurrence, or any child who was injured on the foot ?

" A. Yes, sir; I remember a child that was injured.

Q. There was some talk, was there, that it might have been a rat that did it?

A. The doctor told me it might have been.
Q. Yes; well, you had charge of the child ?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. What sort of an injury did the child have, and where ?
A. It was very slight.
Q. Yes; where was it?
A. There was an injury on the right toe.
Q. Which toe?
4. It was the large toe.
Q Were any of the other toes on the foot injured at all ?
X. I don't remember that they were.
Q. You do reinember that the child was injured on the large toe ?
A. Yes, sir, I do.
Q. Well, how much of an injury was it?

Well, it was very slight.
Q. Well, was there much blood flowed from it?
A. There was none when I saw the child.
Q. What was done about it?
A. Done with the child?
Q. Yes, about the toe?

I did it up in some vaseline.
Q. Do you know how long the child remained here afterwards ?
Å. I couldn't say.
Q. It wasn't serious at all?

A. No, sir.
Q. And it was a question as to how the thing did happen?
Ă. I think it would have been ; yes, sir.
Q. Had the child been long in the institution?
A. I don't know about that.
Q. You don't know about that?
Ă. I don't know about those things.

Q. Well, are there any other facts concerning that case that you can give to the comunittee?

A. Nothing that I know of.

Q (By Ald. LEE.) Well, did you ever tell Mr. McCaffrey that you heard the child crying and that you went towards the bed where it was lying, and that you heard the rat jump?

A. NO. I am not there, anyway. I am a hospital nurse. I don't have charge of the nursery. The doctor simply sent the child to me to care for, and that is all I know about it.

Q. That was the other nurse?
A. Yes, sir.

Q. Do I understand that you hare charge of the hospital, and that you didn't see the child until it was brought over to the hospital tu


A. I didn't see it till then.
Q. You didn't see the injury until the child was brought over to you?
Ă. No, sir; I didn't see the injury until the child was brought over

to me.

Q. You didn't have charge of the child when it is said to have been bitten? You didn't have charge of the child at that time ?

A. No, sir.

Q. Have you had any children come into the hospital since you have been here that have been bitten by rats outside of this case ?

d. No, sir, never, never had a child that has been bitten by a rat. Q. Or said to have been bitten by a rat?

Å. No; except that one, where the doctor said he thought it might have.

Q. Have you ever seen a rat in the sleeping-rooms at all ?
À. I never have seen a rat in the sleeping-rooms.

Q. Was that Murphy boy that jumped out of the window in your charge ?

A. No, sir — that was in the boys' hospital.
Q. I beg your pardon. Who has charge of that?

At that time it was Miss Nash.
Ald. LEE. ~ She isn't here now, doctor, is she?
Dr. HEATH. No, she is married, and has gone away.
Q. (By Mr. PROCTOR.) Do you have charve of a cottage here?
A. No.
Dr. HEATH. That is the other woman, Mr. Chairman.
The CHAIRMAN. - I think that is all, and we are very much obliged


to you.

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The CHAIRMAN. We want to question you about some matters that are said to have occurred here, if you care to testify; and inasmuch ils all the other witnesses have been put under oath, we will ask you to stand up and be sworn by the Clerk of Committees.

The oath was administered by the Clerk of Committees.

Q. (By Mr. PROCTOR.) You may sit down, if you please. What is your full name?

A. Ann Clancy.
Q. How long have you been here?
A. Seven years.

Q. What have you to do with the institution now, or what have you in charge?

A. The nursery.
Q. Where is that?
A. Down in the cottage.
Q. Ilow nany have you in your charge now?
A. Two, sir,

Q. Have you ever had so high a number as thirty-six under your sole charger

A. Oh, no, sir; not without help.
Q. What is the ordinary number for you to have charge of ?
A. Well, probably two or three at a time.

Q. Something has been said by Mr. McCaffrey in regard to a child who was said to have been bitten by a rat?

A. A rat, sir?
Q. Yes.
Ă. I cannot say that. I didn't see no rat.
Q. You didn't see any rat at all ?
A. No, sir.
Q. Do you remember the child?

. I remember the child.
Q. Were you the one who saw the injury first?
M. Yes, sir.
Q. How much of an injury was it ?
A. Well, the first toe was slightly scratched.
Q. Any of the others ?
A. And the last toe was slightly scratched.
Q. Sererely scratched?
A. No, sir.
Q. Either one of them?
A. No, sir.
Q. Much blood from it?
A. No, sir.
Q. Did you know how the child came to have that injury?

Å. Well, I didn't, sir; but when I spoke about it to the doctor and showed it to him he said it might be the scratch of a rat.

Q. And that is where the talk about the rat came in ?
1. Yes, sir.
Q. What the doctor said ?
A. Yes, sir; what the doctor said.
Q. What did you do for the child?

Ă. Well, I did nothing for the child. He transferred it to the hospital.

Q. That is all you know about it? d. That is all I know about it, sir.

Q. Did you know anything about the case of a Murphy boy who was said to have jumped out of a third or fourth story window?

A. No, sir, That is the first I ever heard of it.
Dr. HEATH. He was in the boy's hospital.

Q. (By Ald. LEE.) Did you ever tell Mr. McCaffrey – he was employed here at the same time, was he not?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. Did you have any conversation with him on the morning after the time that it is supposed that the rat bit the boy?

A. No, sir.
Q. You never told him that you saw the rat jump from the bed ?
A. No, sir.
Q. You are positive of that?
A. Positive of it; yes, sir.
Q. Well, now, Mr. McCaffrey said that the little toe, or one of the


I don't know which toe he said it was was hanging only by a thread. Is that so?

A. Oh, no, sir. It was only slightly scratched.
Q. There were no stitches put in it?
A. No, sir.

Q. And you are positive that Mr. McCaffrey never had any such conversation with you about seeing a rat jump from the bed ?

A. No, sir. I never saw the lat.
Q. Did you have any conversation with him at all about it?
A. No, sir, I never did.

Q. (By Ald. LOMASNEY.) I would just like to ask you a few questions. Did you hear the child cry?

A. Yes, sir.
Q. What time of the night was that?
A. Well, it was six o'clock in the morning.
Q. Six o'clock in the morning ?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. You heard the child scream suddenly ?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Where were you?
A. I was in the room, dressing.
Q. What part of the building is that situated ? Is it in connection
with the other room?

A. Yes, sir.
Q. How many children were in the room?
A. There was only one. I had two children, one in each room.
Q. And one of them was this child ?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. And you heard this child scream ?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. And you then went over to the child?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. And what attracted your attention to the foot ?

Å. Well, I just heard the child scream, and I went to see where was the child injured. I went and took the child up and examined it and found that the feet were scratched.

Q. Well, what was the first part of the child that you looked at?
A. What was the first part of the child that I looked at?

Q. Yes; what did you do when you first went to where the child was?

Well, I looked it all over, and I soon found it was injured in the foot.

Q. And you saw this?
Ă. This scratch ; yes, sir.
Q. Did you hear the child scream the night before ?
A. No, sir.
Q. Or that morning ?
A. No, sir.
Q. Did it look to you as though something had scratched it?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Was that mark on the child the night before ?
A. No, sir.
4. You put the child to bed the night before ?
A. I put the child to bed all right.

Q. And you saw the child's foot, and there was no such mark on it?

A. No, sir.

Q. That mark was made between the time she went to bed and the time she scre:med ?

A. Yes, sir.


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