on the first amount of travel, and a cent and a half on the other, to make the difference.

Q. Do you know the gross amount of the expenditures by the city upon the ferries during the same period covered by these receipts?

A. The amount drawn, including the April draft, is $212,180.95.

Q. Does that include all the expenses?

A. That closes, I believe, the present year, but it does not include the whole amount of the expenses. There are some outstanding bills that have not been included in that.

Q. Which should be added to that $212,000, as I understand you, in order to get at the total actual expense to the city. Is that it?

A. That would be so; yes.

Q. Have you any means of knowing how much of this travel is East Boston travel?

A. A large proportion of it. I have means of arriving at that in a measure. I could not decide definitely.

Q. State your means of forming a judgment.

A. There is a certain class of teams with which I keep a running account, which is settled once a month. These I could very easily tell. Then, there are others that purchase tickets by the $75 worth.

Q. Have you any means of ascertaining and of stating how large a proportion of the foot passengers pay money, and how large a proportion buy tickets?

We

A. Yes, I have that. We sell tickets at a cent and a half each. Of course, we keep an exact account of every ticket. We can tell just how many we sell and how many we redeem. have different grades of teams by which I can tell just how many team tickets I sell, and how many I redeem. Then I have a report, which is made up by the gentlemen who keep a correct account, or it is intended that they shall keep a correct account,

of all teams, classifying them, so that I can know how many teams of each class pass over the ferry, which is returned to me every morning.

Q. Do the figures which you have given indicate the proportion of the foot passengers that buy tickets, and the proportion that pay money

?

A. Yes; the amount that is tickets, of course we can tell exactly. The other we have to make an estimate of. We have an account of all teams and the various kinds of toll, excepting foot travel. That is added to the amount which is received for tickets; and then the balance must come from foot travel. Q. From foot travel that pays cash?

A. That pays two cents.

Q. Then, if I understand the figures you have already given, there are about 2,000,000 foot passengers with tickets, and 2,500,000 without tickets?

A. Yes; that's about it.

Q. Can you form any judgment from that fact as to the proportion of foot travel which belongs to East Boston?

A. Well, I have given that matter some thought recently, in view of the ferry question. Of course, I am unable to state it definitely. There is a large amount of team travel which I know.

Q. I am speaking now of the foot travel.

A. I have no means of deciding that question. It is naturally to be supposed that most of the East Boston people buy their tickets.

Q. Will you state now what you can, in regard to the amounts received for team travel from different parties who are the principal contributors to team travel?

A. The largest amount is received from Messrs. Pote & Co., which is somewhere about $5,000 a year. They do the teaming for the Eastern Railroad Company. I presume they pay us more than that sum. That is about the amount which

I have, according to my ticket account. Then they have more or less freight that they pay cash for, as they pass over, the amount of which I have no means of judging. The city of Boston, I presume, pay somewhere about $2,000, for various departments.

Q. Have you any other large contributors?

A. The Eastern Railroad and Boston and Albany Railroad. I don't know how much they pay; I have no means for telling. They pay more or less. Savage & Co. pay about $2,000 a year; Merritt & Co., about $1,800 a year; Munroe, Arnold & Co., about $1,800; Pratt & Babb, about $1,800; Moulton, about $1,200; Boston Sugar Refinery, I should say, pay about $1,200 a year; C. R. Morse & Co., about $1,100; or $1,200 a year. There are other teamers, who do quite a business, who buy their tickets in quantities of $20 and $25 worth at a time, of which I have no account.

Q. Those which you have named are the largest?

A. Yes, sir. These are regular customers, who are settled with once a month, and all have their private tickets, so that I know just how much they take.

Q. When did the city come into possession of the ferries, Mr. Whittemore?

A. April first, 1870.

Cross-examination.

Q. (By Mr. SWEETSER.) Mr. Whittemore, how long were you treasurer,— from what year ?

A. I was Treasurer of the East Boston Ferry Company from 1863, I think, in February. I was elected until July, 1866.

Q. Have you made any comparison between the travel during the last year, and that of the preceding year, or any preceding year?

4. Any comparison as to different grades?

Q. Yes.

A. No; I have made no comparison.

Q. For instance, you have got about 4,500,000 foot passengers during last year. Do you know how many there were during the preceding year?

A. No, sir, I do not.

Q. You have made no comparison of that kind?

A. I had no means of knowing.

Q. Well, you have means of knowing, have you not, in the same way you have ascertained the facts you have stated? A. No, sir.

Q. Why not?

A. Because they never kept any account.

Q. They kept an account of their receipts?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. Didn't they keep an account of the receipts from the dif ferent sources?

A. Not any account which you could tell anything about. They never had any system about it. The classes of teams and foot travel were not kept separately.

Q. For instance, I find in a book which came from the city government, in some inquiry in relation to these ferries in some former years, an account of the different kinds of travel in the month of April. Was not that taken from the accounts?

A. I don't know. I should want to see how that account was made up before I could tell you.

Q. Well, have you made any comparison of the gross receipts of last year with those of the previous year?

A. I knew about what the gross receipts were the previous

year.

Q. What were they, sir, the previous year?

year preceding that in which the city took the ferries.

Take the

A. I think that the receipts that year were, as near as I recollect, something like $169,000.

Q. Do you recollect about the year 1868?

A. The receipts in 1868 were about the same. Somewhere like $160,000 for each of those years. I said $169,000.

Q. They took the greater amount of toll in those years?

A. They did. The last part of 1869 and the fore part of 1870, they took the larger amount of toll.

Q. How was it in 1868?

A. In 1868, I think, we took about $138,000, if I recollect aright.

Q. State the amount of gross receipts in 1868 again.
A. In 1868 there was $138,735.87.

Q. And in that year, what was the charge for tolls compared with the charge for tolls during the year ending April, 1871 ?

A. Well, the foot passengers were three cents, I think.

Q. Were the charges for tolls in that year the same as last year, for teams?

A. I think there was some slight variation on some teams. There was an addition, I think, made by the city on some, and a reduction on others. I couldn't state just the amount.

Q. Well, have you got 1867 there?

A. 1867 is $136,305.79.

Q. Have you got the exact amount of 1869 ?

A. 1869, $161,049.95.

Q. And during six months of that year the tolls were higher than they are now?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. Two cents on foot passengers?

A. Three cents on foot passengers. All the team travel was higher.

Q. Well, sir, the expenditures of this year have been larger than they were in that?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. Why is that?

A. Well, one reason is, they began to repair up their boats