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A. Yes, sir; certainly.
They furnished you with paper and envelopes ?
A. I was refused until I made a kick, and then I got an envelope one time.
Q. Well, you got an envelope ?
A. But i have sent letters to the Commissioners, and I asked for envelopes and didn't get them.
. But you have got envelopes ?
Q. (By Ald. LEE.) I wanted to ask you one question. You have been in the Concord Reformatory? A. Yes, sir.
How do the rations there compare with what you get here? A. Very good. It is a very good place for a young man that wants to behave himself.
Q. Were you there long?
twenty-five months the first time, and twenty-one or twenty-two months the second time.
Q. What I wanted to find out was how the food compared here with what you received there?
A. I received better at Concord.
A. Yes, sir, iind with my Indian meal; and I got hash in the morning, besides bread. Q. Yes?
Well, everything up there is different.
Q. (By Mr. PROCTOR.) Did you ask for envelopes at the time that you didn't get them ?
A. Yes, sir; I asked Barnet, and he said to see the colonel. I asked him to see the colonel, and he didn't come in.
Q. Well, he did conje in some time ?
Q. When he did come in there was no obstacle in the way of your seeing him?
No, but I had the letter wrote and sent then.
Q. (By Ald. LEE.) I understood you to say that you had meat or soup five days and fish Friday and beans Sunday. Now, do you get any meat at all mornings for breakfast?
A. Yes. I don't know whether it is corned beef, or roast beef, or what it is.
Q. Well, that is, you get something ?
Q. Well, you complain of not having dry food. What would you
Ă. I say I would be willing to starve a man in preference to the soup they are getting here now.
Q. Then it is not because the food is not dry diet to which you object, but it is the quality of the soup? A. It is the quality of the soup
and too much of it. Q. Then you complain that you have too much soup? A. Yes.
Q. Well, suppose they give you this soup in proper proportion at a. meal, would that rectify it any?
A. I don't know. I don't eat very much, anyway.
Q. Then in regard to this complaint of too much soup, if you have too much soup given to you, you can leave part of it?
A. Oh, I can leave the whole of it; yes, sir.
Q. (By Ald. LEE.) I understood you to say that you don't eat any meat at all?
A. I don't eat any cold meats; no, sir.
Q. From what you said, I didn't know but what you were a vegetariin?
A. No, sir.
Q. (By Mr. Proctor.) One question what do you get in the hospital?
A. I got my bread and tea this morning - bread and coffee. I don't eat there at meal-times.
Q. Did you ever ?
A. I got milk.
A. Well, while I was in the hospital, twice a day, while the four months lasted, I got milk a pint of milk twice a day, morning and supper.
Q. What else do you get ?
Q. (By Ald. LEE.) Were you ever at any other institution except Concord and here?
A. At Deer Island; yes, sir.
Q. (By Ald. LOMASNEY.) And there are about twenty-five men in the shop that you think would want to testify, do you?
A. Yes, sir.
The CHAIRMAN. - That is all. Are there any other witnesses that you desire to ask for?
Ald. LOMASNEY. — No, sir.
Col. WHITON. — For fear there might be some misunderstanding, I would like to say that here is a man who writes me a letter here is what he writes (handing letter from J. W. Lake to the Chairman). If you want to see him, all right.
The CHAIRMAN. — (After reading letter.) Well, perhaps as long as he has signified his desire to come before us, it would be a good idea to let him appear.
Mr. PROCTOR. We should be glad to have him.
Ald. LEE. And I would like to get a man named Tom Shaughnessy and Officer Fallon.
Col. WHITON. – Very well.
Q. (By the CHAIRMAN.) What is your name?
Q. (By Mr. PROCTOR.) Officer Fallon, testimony has been given before this committee by Mr. Dolan to this effect. (Readiny) :
Q. You have seen officers under the influence of liquor?
A. Yes, sir; Fallon is drunk all the time. He is drunk to-day, and the deputy knows it, and the superintendent knows it.
Q. You say to-day?
A. On leaving the shop.
A. Pretty sober, because there is an officer relieves him, and he washes and cleans himself up, has a box of peppermints up in the shop to take the smell of the rum off his breath.
Now, Officer Falon, that is the charge that was made against you by Dolan; and what have you to say to it, sir?
Q. Were you under the influence of liquor the day that the committee was here the last time?
A. No, sir.
Q. Have you ever drank anything and gone on duty and been in the shop?
A. No, sir. I never drank any liquor on duty, nor when I was going on duty.
Q. You are a day officer or night officer?
About six years.
Ă. We reach there at seren o'clock. We commence work by feeding up the prisoners by six o'clock, and we commence work at seven o'clock. Q. What time do you get through ?
Q. You say that while you have been here you never have drank anything when you were on duty or when you were to go on duty ?
A. No, sir.
Q. (By Ald. LEE.) Well, now, about this Dolan did you ever have any trouble with himn ?
A. Lots of it.
4. One of the worst that ever was in the institution. He came here five years ago, nearly, and before he had been at work in the shop six months he began to raise the devil. I spoke to hini, and he called me
I had him locked up. He has threatened to do me up outside, several times. Then when he came back, was acting badly. He struck me one time with a stool in the head, and hit me right across here with it. He is tough, and he goes about the place looking for trouble all the time.
Q. (By Mr. PROCTOR.) You thought it was time to take hold of him?
A. I was ordered by the duputy to take him out. He was exciting them to riot. I took hold of him and dragged him out.
Q. Did Dolan belong in the shop ?
No. He came down from that shop to incite the men down below to fight.
Q. (By Ald. LEE.) How long has he been here?
A. He has lately been very quiet, but he is naturally a pretty hard customer. I think he has been here three years this month.
Q (By Nir. PROCTOR.) How did he get down from the shop?
strike: I am with you,” and all that business. Then when I was ordered to take him out, I took him out, but we had quite a fight, and he hit me with a spittoon. We got him out and stopped the others, though, but it wasn't very pleasant. But so far is choking him was concerned, I took him by the collar and dragged him out.
Q. (By Ald. LEE.) You didn't use any weapons ?
Å. No; but I have drawn a weapon when it was necessary, and I believe I would so it if it was absolutely necessary. Things are pretty hot when a riot is going on here. People are threatening your life, and making as much trouble as they can, and it may be necessary for a man to use a weapon.
Bythe CFLAIRMAN.) What is your name, sir?
Q. Well, Mr. Lake, the committee is here to ascertain some facts in regard to the management of this institution ; and before you give any evidence, we want to say to you that you
need tot answer any questions which may tend to criminate yourself. Do you understand ?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Well, what I want to ask you about is this: Do you know anything about any of these riots that have occurred here?
A. I saw this last riot in the shop. I am working in No. 2 shop.
Q. You were in No. 2 shop. Is that where he fired the shot and hit Flaherty?
A. No; that is right under us.
Ă. Well, the first thing was when the noise was heard in what they call the. “ big shop" here — the No. 1 shop. It first occurred there, and the noise was there, and the men got up and went to the windows, some of them, and looked out; and they said, It is on! It is on!” I knew, of course, what it was, and I said there would be a strike. I don't think there was anything done until they heard shots fired in the yard, and some one Silys, They are shooting them! They are shooting them!" I heard it two or three times They are shooting them down,” or something like that -- and then somebody hollereil, Well, let's go in, boys;" and they went at it, and broke up, I should judge, about twenty out of forty-nine machines.
Q. Well you didn't go downstairs ?