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List of clothing furnished enlisted men by the Quartermaster Corps, with dimensions to determine sizes.

BREECHES-OLIVE-DRAB WOOL AND OLIVE-DRAB COTTON; SERVICE; FOOT AND MOUNTED.

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COATS-OLIVE-DRAB WOOL AND OLIVE-DRAB COTTON.

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The CHAIRMAN. For instance, if you get orders to send clothing for 10,000 men to some camp, you must send more than 10,000 uniforms?

Capt. DALY. Oh, yes. We will probably send 333 per cent in excess of the number actually required.

The CHAIRMAN. In order to outfit them?

Capt. DALY. Yes; to provide the proper assortment of sizes. That applies, of course, to size clothing. In the matter of waist belts, we would only send them for 10,000 men; but for shoes and trousers and hats and things of that class which have sizes, we would have to send about 33 per cent additional stock to provide a proper assortment of sizes.

Gen. SHARPE. Of shoes alone we have 90 different sizes.
The CHAIRMAN. How can you get 90 different sizes?

Gen. SHARPE. The different widths are A, B, C, D, and double E, and then we commence with size 5 and run up by half sizes to 13. The CHAIRMAN. And that makes 90 different sizes?

Gen. SHARPE. Yes, sir; we also have 32 sizes in trousers and 18

sizes in coats.

Capt. DALY. We have put into this estimate of appropriation the amount of the excess in cost over the last estimate, and allowed for that $17,396,132.51. That is all of the item.

The CHAIRMAN. Then in making up this estimate you made it up on your original prices?

Capt. DALY. Not this estimate.

The CHAIRMAN. And then you added $17,000,000 more?

Capt. DALY. Yes; because we have now practically a deficiency of that amount.

The CHAIRMAN. And you add that to it?

Capt. DALY. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. You stated some time ago that there are different prices paid for the different articles. Are those prices continuing or are they varying?

Capt. DALY. I am not familiar with that, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. General, have the contracts all been made at the same prices?

Gen. SHARPE. No, sir; the price in the different contracts varies.
The CHAIRMAN. But all within the prices stated here?
Gen. SHARPE. Yes, sir. These are the average prices.

The CHAIRMAN. Then in some instances the prices are much in excess, I should imagine, of the ones you have given?

Capt. DALY. They may have been; yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. In making these contracts for clothing and shoes and the other different articles, were there any manufacturers who sought opportunities to manufacture and complained that they could manufacture them within the prices named, but still were not given a part of the work?

Gen. SHARPE. There was at one time, I recall, Mr. Chairman, a statement made by some of the shoe manufacturers at Brockton that they could manufacture some shoes but had not been given an award.

Mr. BYRNS. I have a letter here from one concern now with reference to the manufacture of clothing, and he claims he could not get an award. That is the letter to which I just referred.

Gen. SHARPE. The contracts for clothing are let through the depots.

Mr. BYRNS. Did I understand you correctly to say that none of these advisory committees of the Council of National Defense has anything to do with the letting of contracts for the manufacture of clothing?

Gen. SHARPE. That is as I understand it, Mr. Byrns.

Mr. BYRNS. That is left exclusively to the depot quartermasters? Gen. SHARPE. Yes, sir.

Mr. BYRNS. Are those contracts sent on here for ratification? Gen. SHARPE. They eventually come on here for approval.

Mr. BYRNS. But the matter is left with the depot quartermasters, necessarily, because they are supposed to be conversant with the whole situation?

Gen. SHARPE. Yes, sir.

Mr. BYRNS. What did I understand you to say was their policy with reference to letting these contracts, either by bids or otherwise? Gen. SHARPE. The ordinary policy has been to issue a little circular advertisement which is issued to all the people they know in that line of business and then getting bids from them. That is the ordinary policy.

Mr. BYRNS. Was it understood that they were to accept the lowest bidder where the concern showed that it was in a situation to comply with its contract?

Gen. SHARPE. That is what we have always done in the past. We would send an inspector to the factory to see if they were competent to handle it and if the factory was sanitary. We always make such an inspection of the factory.

Mr. BYRNS. This letter to which I have referred, and which I will hand you at your request, shows that here were concerns that were certainly competent to do the work, because they are actually doing the work which was let to another concern that never was engaged in the manufacture of men's wear, but manufactured ladies' skirts; and they submitted bids which were less than the contract which was made with this woman's wear manufacturing concern, because the bids they submitted were the prices which they are receiving in doing this work under a subcontract.

Gen. SHARPE. Of course, I do not understand that at all. We do not recognize a subcontractor under our contract.

Mr. BYRNS. I understand that; but I simply refer to that to show that these concerns were in a position to do the work, because they are actually now doing the work for the Government.

Gen. SHARPE. I would like very much to get that letter and have a thorough investigation made, because I do not understand how that was done.

Mr. BYRNS. I happen to know personally that for several months they have been trying to get contracts with the Government, because I took the matter up with you or with some one else in the Quartermaster General's Department, and was directed to refer them to the depot quartermaster at Jeffersonville, and I know they have had the matter up there and have been unable to make any contract, and the only way they have been able to get any contract with the Government was to get a subcontract with this concern at Bowling Green. Gen. SHARPE. At Jeffersonville we have a great number of operatives there who produce the goods in their own homes-making shirts and bed sacks; doing just plain sewing in their own homes. Mr. BYRNS. But this was a contract let to a concern at Bowling Green

Gen. SHARPE. I do not know about that at all.

Mr. BYRNS. Which that concern let out to all these other concerns to which I have referred.

Gen. SHARPE. These women are on a list out there and they are issued the cut garments and then turn them back, made.

Mr. BYRNS. It would seem, from this particular case, if these facts are correct and I do not doubt it, because it is a very reputable man who is writing me-the policy of letting it out on bids was not followed, because his bid was lower than the bid of this concern at Bowling Green.

Gen. SHARPE. I would like to investigate that, because, as I say, at Jeffersonville they have a number of operatives who work there by the piece and the cut garment is delivered to them and charged against them, and then is brought back from their homes. That applies to both shirts and bed sacks.

Mr. BYRNS. This was an entirely different case and does not come within that class of work.

Gen. SHARPE. That is the only way they operate at the Jeffersonville depot.

Mr. BYRNS. Do I understand the only way they operate is to give the work out in the manner you have just stated?

Gen. SHARPE. That is as I understand it; yes, sir; but we will have the matter investigated.

Mr. BYRNS. The statement has been made to me that they made this contract with a dressmaking concern at Bowling Green. Gen. SHARPE. I do not know, sir.

Mr. BYRNS. I happen to know the concern. It is a highly reputable concern and does a very large business all over the South and has for a number of years in the making of women's skirts and never has been engaged, so this letter says, in the manufacture of men's

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